Hi, I live in another state and my older brother (64) lives with my Mom who is 89. He yells at her, belittles her, won't drive her to where she needs to go, etc.
My Mom won't do anything and I am scared to report my brother as I don't want to add more stress to my Mother as she is constantly stressed because of my brother. I suggested that my Mom sell her house but she is not ready to do that. Then it has been talked about me moving in with her and when my brother heard that he had a fit and screamed at my mother. I don't know what do to. Thanks, Jenna
If your brother won't take any outside help, then he's not really serious about changing, in my opinion. Give him some little tests to see if he's really open to change. Ask him to do some things that would move them towards a better situation. If he won't do it, then nothing has really changed.
I did clean when I was there and help my brother with his computer problems. I feel very confused to be honest. I really don't know what to do.
Jenna
I would be very, very cautious in stepping back into the middle of their situation. You've said your brother has used physical violence on you before - even tried to strangle you. None of his grown children want anything to do with him, etc. There's a reason for that. So I'd be very, very careful about giving up your old life to rescue both of them. Your mom has proven again and again she'd rather keep your brother and his dysfunction than take any steps to a healthier existence. So just be careful for your own sake!
How about going to stay for a definite amount of time, say two weeks, agreed by everybody, and just seeing how it goes? That way nobody is committed to anything long term, and if it's not working you can all think again and no hard feelings. But if it is working, and it suits everyone, you can always extend the stay. Just tread carefully. Being positive and optimistic is great, and getting on better with your brother is great, too; but don't paint yourself into a corner. You need to keep your options open.
I would like to spend the last years of my Mom's life with her.
Any thoughts?
Jenna
My Mom told me that my brother said he belonged in a mental hospital (I'm sure he was joking). Once I am there I may try to get guardianship of my Mom.
Thanks again,
Jenna
If your mom needs help with the little things, could she be declared incapacitated? If so, you could try to get guardianship. They should not allow your brother to be guardian with his psych history. Your story has many similarities to mine regarding my brother. We are learning that our parents bailed him out for years, suspecting a mental disorder. I had to get guardianship for my mom when our brother started planning to take her out of assisted living to care for her. He is controlling and puts everyone on eggshells with his mood swings. good luck. You have a sick brother
You asked, 'what can I do?' about your brother's abusing your mom.
I see a few answers, some of which were mentioned by others.
You can
1) Leave them be - it seems that you are the one it bothers the most, so at some point, you have to determine how to let them make their own choices.
or 2) Take the initiative to stop the situation by calling APS, 911 (if you're there at the time), etc.
3) Take a 'milder' initiative by going with her to her next doctor's appointment and explaining the situation to her doctor. Doctors are mandatory reporters, so the doctor would then have the obligation to make any reports to the proper agencies.
or 4) attempt to discuss the situation with your brother - perhaps getting a neutral third party involved (perhaps a social worker as was suggested above). You could explain that your only objective is to help them both have less stress in their lives and that your mom gets the care she needs.
also, in the meantime, contact support groups in her area to see about rides to doctor's appointments. Perhaps you could arrange the transportation from where you live and take the stress away from you (your worries that she won't get there - and your anger at your brother for not taking her).
As far as your mother not wanting to move - well, few people do want to move. It may be possible to arrange for some help for her that would allow her to stay in her home until she passes. She may even change her mind and want to move. Your only real worry will be what to do when she absolutely can't stay there and she still doesn't want to move. And that may never even come.
I hope this helps narrow things down for you.
One last opinion though - if he gets physically violent with her, I'd say you have no choice but to report it and let the chips fall where they may.
Then you would be out on the street out of luck!
This is certainly abuse on his part. He is taking every advantage of your mom and should be prevented from doing so. You can get a restraining order on him also so that he cannot come near you or your family.
Babalou, my Mom has been living like this with my brother for years (over 10) and she has done nothing to change the situation. My brother has been abusing her emotionally all this time and if she has not done anything by now she never will. She won't move into an assisted facility, she wants to die in her home.
All she wants right now is for me to help her with all those little things that she is struggling to do, putting out garbage, bring in the bags of food she buys, cleaning, walking her dog, etc. I can help her with those things.
In time my Mom won't be able to drive anymore and she knows this thus I can drive her to wherever she needs to go.
I will say this forum has been very helpful and really made me think about the entire situation. At least I have some direction now. Thanks!
I think one of the reasons he yells at my Mom is because he truly hates himself and his own life. My Mom doesn't have the mental strength anymore to turn for help for him. Any strength she has she uses for herself. She's more of an observer at this point. She let me know that another one of his doctors dropped him because once again he missed all of his appointments. That makes 2 doctors in the last couple of months that won't see him anymore.
There is nothing I can do for my brother unless he asked me to help him. My Mom considered calling my brother's eldest son but then decided against it. She once did call my nephew and he didn't take any action. To my knowledge my brother has not told his son anything about his health.
Anyway, I am guessing that my Mom thinks his security will come when she passes away as he will have the money to live very nicely. That doesn't take care of his failing health and someone that will care for him but that is my Mom's thinking. That money is the answer to everything which I disagree with. Money does not buy good health and inner peace.
No, I'm not going to call APS at this point because it would only cause trouble and it would end up on me. I could make some calls to my brother's doctors and ask them if they have any ideas. Perhaps they could recommend someone that I can talk to.
Thanks again, Jenna
And I do mean help, rather than someone turning up with a magic wand and saying to your brother "Lo! - and begone!" She's worked so hard for so long to try to sort his life out, she won't be able to rest until she knows he's got some prospect of care and security in his future. We may not feel quite the same (!?) but you have to be sensitive to her feelings about her son, too.
If you're not keen on APS, and I can understand the reservations, what about calling a support group linked to the clinics/practitioners he should be seeing but doesn't? You might be able to track down some useful ideas that way?
Maybe I didn't communicate my intentions clear enough. I can't help my brother as I feel he needs to help himself. If I were to help out in any way, it would be to help my Mom with the driving, taking her to doctors that she can't drive to, helping her with her dog (she walks her dog but there are times when she feels she is not strong enough), etc.
After thinking about the situation, I am not going to call APS unless something dramatic happens because if I call them up my Mom and brother will have a fit if they are contacted by APS. They will know it's me that called.
My Mom let me know she's worried about any interaction between my brother and myself as she's aware of how he is. If and again if, I decide to move in that apartment I do not have to have any contact with my brother. If he keeps going in the direction he is, he will end up in a hospital. My Mom sounds very weak and fragile and talks about her funeral. So I'm truly worried about her.
On another note, after my Mom bought this business in order to give my brother a job which she ran with my Dad (he had semi-retired), that's when the incident happened when my brother tried to strangle me and I ended up in the ER. After that my brother no longer had a job and he took my Mom to court stating the business belonged to him. Of course he lost.
I don't trust him when it comes to money and he may take me to court stating he was the primary caregiver.
Again, I really don't know what to do. My Mom wishes me to be there because she's knows I would help her and that I'm dependable. These are the last years of my Mom's life and I feel guilty living far away from her.
Jenna
If you try to disrupt that pattern outside of an emergency, you risk them both ganging up against YOU - seeing you as the meddling bad guy, while losing any leverage you have.
I know it's hard, but I'd let things continue until something happens...which is often how change comes to our seniors (unfortunately). Something like brother winds up in the hospital from his untreated diabetes, or mom winds up in the hospital because of poor care from brother and can't go back home...
Otherwise you're beating your head against a brick wall. Any rational person would agree with your analysis of the situation, but the two players who are involved don't see enough wrong with their situation to want to make a drastic change.
There were actually 4 children, my youngest brother passed away from cancer. My older sister will have nothing to do with the family for years but that's another story.
Last time I visited my brother he said to me it's time for me to go back on Prozac (he said he suffers from manic depressive disorder and from my research means bipolar). As far as I know, no, he's not on medication for his mental problems. He's on a lot of medication for his physical problems. He sleeps all day long and stays up all night (on the computer).
I know both my brother and Mom need help and they can not help each other. My brother has said he should be seeing a psychiatrist but he doesn't. He makes sugary cakes and eats the whole cake even though he has diabetes and complains about feeling dizzy afterward (almost as if he has a death wish)... It is sad.
I will call APS but I need to proceed with caution and first get some information. I did read that APS may help my brother with housing but I need to find out more about that. I have asked my Mom how she would feel if he moved out and she said she would feel relieved. After the holiday weekend I will start making calls. Thanks.
You'll probably find that the medical practice is a bit snotty if you start asking questions - but there is nothing at all to stop you reporting your concerns. Your mother and your brother will need to be disentangled carefully because they both need support. APS might be the best place to start, if only because they can look at the whole scenario rather than being attached to one person or the other as the medics would be.
I'm not that close, about 6 hours by car. I never thought I could call both my brother's and Mom's doctors, you gave me something to think about. And that's a good idea to try to get a social worker involved. I don't know of any but I'm good at making phone calls and trying to find one.
I think I may start calling the doctors (I know the medical building where my Mom and brother both go) and see what I can find out. I wonder if I can tell them how my brother is treating my Mom? They may refer me to someone who can help.
Thanks!! Jenna
Okay, so look around. As your brother has his diagnosis, who else is involved in his care and in your mother's care? Are they being treated as a package - i.e. is she de facto *his* caregiver?
The two of them need attention but it doesn't necessarily have to come from you. How far away from them are you, anyway, geographically? It's clearly not practical for you to "pop round" and keep an eye on them. Are you in touch with any professionals concerned in their care? I'm just wondering whether there might be any allies you could call on to provide, at least, an objective assessment, possibly leading to more regular input. A social worker wouldn't be a bad start, if you know of a friendly one who might like to get involved?
Last time I visited her (about 6 months ago) I showed her nice retirement apartments where I live on her (or my brother's computer). My Mom talked to my brother about selling and he said he would want to live with her?? I don't get that.
My brother is diagnosed bipolar so his personality is always changing. He will never stop leaning on our mother and I think it's my mother's fault for always helping him. When my brother was younger he worked with my Dad, then he stopped that and my Mom bought a business so my brother would have a job.
My Mom put 2 large down payments on 2 homes for him. Talk about enabling! I was always my own person and never depended on my parents. I took pride in getting what I wanted by working for it. Just the way I am.
Anyway, his wife divorced him as he cheated on her many times and who knows how he treated her? No one knows except my ex-sister-in-law and his children. Interesting how his 3 children want nothing to do with my brother. Later on my brother admitted that he wishes they didn't get divorced.
If I did decide to move in that apartment and my brother touched me I would have no problem calling the police and pressing charges. I am not scared of him just uneasy because of his bipolar personality.
I agree that a separation needs to be brought about but I don't see how that could happen now. My Mom is too frail and gets too emotional where she needs to be alone to calm herself down. My Mom is also a loner and never socialized with people, it was my Dad who was the friendly and sociable one in the family.
If you're that uneasy around your brother the idea of moving back even into this separate apartment sounds like a non-starter. But even more, for his long-term wellbeing's sake, he needs to stop leaning on his mother and pick up his life again. It sounds as though the divorce really derailed him? Or was the derailing responsible for the divorce, do you think? Either way, the current situation is doing nothing to get him back on his feet emotionally. Your mother may dread facing up to change, but living with an angry man is no good for her either. A separation needs to be brought about somehow...
Anyway, I called my Mom earlier and she sounded okay and brought up a suggestion that has been talked about before which is she rents an apartment in her home (has a current tenant) and would like me to move there. I used to live in that apartment many years ago and I would have my privacy. I like where I'm living now (I live alone) but I think I would feel better taking care of my Mom. What scares me is my brother so I am thinking about this.
One day my Mom is not going to be able to drive anymore and my brother is useless.
I dislike talking about money but my Mom's house is worth a lot and it is stipulated in her will that when the time comes the house gets sold and my brother and I get 50/50. I wonder if my brother feels threatened by me for a couple of reasons: that I know what he's all about and what he's been doing or possibly the money? I don't know.