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Hi Upstream :) This may sound drastic but I think calling Adult Protective Services is the way to go in your situation. She has made it clear that she doesn’t care about the position she is putting you in and is self-destructive. They will start the process of taking over her care and putting measures in place to keep her safe or as safe as she can be given the circumstances. I think this will relieve some stress off of you in the long run. Short- term she is going to be mad as a hornet but you have to do what is best for both of you. Hope this was helpful!
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My MIL started talking about committing suicide when her car was taken away. Then she started talking about it when we were talking to her about assisted living. I went to a doctor appointment with her and gave the nurses a heads up before we went in that I was going to mention it. And I did. When I brought it up the doctor asked her if she really was telling us she was going to commit suicide and she said yes, so it's in the doctor's files. The doctor then asked her if she wanted to commit suicide at the moment and she said no. She just says it so we'll give her car back and so we will stop talking about AL. Doctor told me (in front of her) "if she talks about suicide again, you need to call 911 immediately and they will take her to the hospital and keep her for 72 hours to make sure she is not a threat to herself". MIL said no, she wasn't really going to do it. She just felt like telling us that. Doc told her it didn't matter. These things need to be taken very seriously. So we held a family meeting with all the sibs and MIL and told everyone that the doc said to immediately call 911 if she does it again and to have her admitted under a suicide watch. Funny enough, she's never mentioned it again.
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Zdarov Aug 2019
Good story (you know what I mean), thanks for sharing! My mom says that all the time and I now have another approach in my kit.
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First of all, stop buying her booze. I loved my mother in law (when she was sober) but wouldn't buy her booze and if I found it in my house, tossed it out.) . I take it she is put in the hospital when she breaks something. Refused to let them release her to you and tell them you can't/won't take her and she can't live alone. Then "they" will be responsible for her going into assisted living. By the way, when my mother in law was in a nursing home she kept trying to leave to go get some beer so (with my permission) they let her have a short can of beer once a day. Kept her from binge drinking and she enjoyed it. I think the "keeping her at arms-length" is a good idea.
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disgustedtoo Aug 2019
1) mom doesn't live with her
2) even if she refuses to buy alcohol, mom can still get it!
3) OP says "...They have sent her home with transport..."
4) OP said: "...the hospital forced me to take her home while she was still drunk & beligerent..."

It isn't that simple to just leave someone at the hospital and refuse to let them go home. Clearly the hospital sent her home. As long as she is deemed competent, she CAN demand to be sent home. The only think OP can do is not let them deliver mom to her (OP's) address!

As for the booze - if they *really* want it, they WILL get it. My grandmother loved her wine (a tad too much - she didn't know when to say when!) When she still lived in her own house, but couldn't drive, she hired a taxi to go pick it up for her. Where there's a will, there's a way...
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Sorry to post so many times, but I just checked the Care Topics (top RHS of the screen) then scroll down the alphabetic list to alcohol, and there are some articles there that might help, certainly support. Yours, Margaret

https://www.agingcare.com/topics/189/alcohol-abuse
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Upstream, I actually meant AA advice for you, not for your mother – she obviously likes things the way they are. Sympathy and my hope for you, Margaret
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It really does sound as if the alcohol may be the real problem. Not only for the falls, but for the refusal to go into care, where alcohol would be bound to be restricted. AA might be good for advice.
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Upstream Aug 2019
MargaretMcKen, thank you for responding. She did go to some AA meetings last year but declared that the people there were pretty much losers and beneath her. She then quit AA and commenced to drinking some more. I just got off the phone with her this morning and she is cancelling her therapist session today because she is depressed. She asked me to go buy her some wine and I told her I am at work and can't break away until the noon hour. She told me she needs the wine sooner than that and she will get it herself (she sounded disgusted with me).
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I'm not sure exactly how true this is but I heard if they have 3 falls in a certain amount of time then they can be put in a facility. I can't remember who told me that but maybe someone here knows more. I hope things work out for you and your mom.
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She may be drinking often. She may also be taking medications. There is not much you can do if that is the case. Nothing you say or do will change her. Never let her move in with you! Very sad! 😢
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Upstream Aug 2019
Goody2shoes, thank you. My concern is that there is some pressure to have her move in with me because obviously she should not be living alone. I refuse to take responsibility for her life and her actions. I can't stand that she even lives down the street! If she lived here I know my life would be over. And that's the truth.
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It kills me how our parents don’t want to compromise. They feel we owe everything to them. Everything revolves around their needs. No, it isn’t just about them. It’s about all of us.
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Apparently, those who review cases like hers don't think she's incompetent. You might consult with an attorney to get their take on it and see if there are any other options. I suppose that I would question what the goal is with her. If she went into an AL would she abide by their rules? Would they be able to prevent her from falling? It's very difficult to prevent someone from falling, even if you are in the same room. You may remind people to use canes or walkers, but, that is also limited. I guess, I would ask what you are trying to accomplish. Her living with you, near you or in AL may not affect her falling. Unless, she's falling totally due to being intoxicated. Is that it or is she having strokes? My LO fell a lot too, but, she never drank alcohol. She had poor balance, brittle bones and strokes. I literally caught her from falling when she turned loose of her walker, but, I was standing right next to her. If I had been across the room, it wouldn't have mattered. Sorry, I don't have any good suggestions.
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Upstream Aug 2019
She's using a walker most of the time now. I guess my goal is to make sure my life is not continually being jerked around by her drama. It's been a decade of intrusion into my life. I wish I could escape but she lives down the street from me. I am stuck here because I run a small business and spent a lot of money setting up my home to run the business, and also am responsible for my dad's care, who lives in a nearby memory care facility. When he started to show signs of dementia, mom told me he was my responsibility, not hers (after 50+ years of marriage) so he's mine :(
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How incredibly sad.

But I don't see what you can do about it. Except - try not to lose sight of how sad it is. Because this is so incredibly stressful for you, and because your mother is the agent who has made it all happen, it would be very easy to forget that she is the one in pain.

I hope the various health care organisations are not continuing to pretend that this is a job for amateurs, and making you feel responsible?
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Upstream Aug 2019
We keep repeating the same cycle of hospitalization, often on to the mental health facility, and then home. I keep expecting a call from a social worker or someone like that to discuss the situation. But everyone smiles and acts as if this is normal and that she will be OK. She's only 77 and her own mom lived to age 96. I fear for all of us that she may spend upwards of 20 more years of life unable to properly care for herself. The last ten years have been pretty unpleasant already.
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My mom was not a drinker but was addicted to her oxy pills and with no balance....Well, we all know how that ends up.

Finally mom ended up in the hospital after a fall. I had checked out the local assisted living facilities and had one lined up. She was transferred directly from the hospital to assisted living. This was not as easy as ABC, it was a couple weeks of hell but that’s what we’d come to.

I had gone through the same crap you did a couple times previously, hospital sending her home when she couldn’t even sit up and dad with moderate dementia trying to care for her.
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If she threatens suicide call 911, that will end that. You can go no contact, I have had to with my mother, who is a nasty drunk, it was her or me, I chose me. She is 94, lives alone and hates everyone including me. Other family members have not spoken to her for 30 years, and have no intention of doing so. I have let the chips will fall where they may, I gave up.
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Upstream Aug 2019
DollyMe, thank you much for the response. Ugh, it totally sucks. She's been Baker-Acted and held in the mental health facility 4 times in the past year for suicidal tendencies, and alcohol & prescription drug abuse. I am ready to give up and I am just waiting for the "Big" fall or mishap that renders her clearly unable to live alone.
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Yes....next time she is hospitalized, talk to patient services. They must not release her to her same old living arrangements...it is very clearly unsafe for her. And no, she cannot be released to you.

She he needs to be in a facility where her needs are met....and NOT your home.

they will try to get you to agree to be her caregiver while she continues living in the same place...make it clear to them that she has been hospitalized over and over because she is t safe in the place.

leave her on their hands......
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Upstream Aug 2019
:D Thank you Katiekate! Last summer the hospital forced me to take her home while she was still drunk and biligerent. I learned my lesson that time! She has been hospitalized several times since then for falls and Benzo withdrawls and I have refused to even step foot in the hospital. They have sent her home with transport :( I refuse to have the medical community force me to be her caregiver or guardian under the circumstances. Sadly, she's told me numerous times over the past decade she doesn't care that she's damaged herself...I guess she also does not care the position she has put me in.
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