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I read about people who care for a family member who is a danger to themselves and other family members. I don’t understand why a family member isn’t placed in a facility for their safety and yours.
Yes I had area to place my husband but he dyed the night before he was to go to a facility.
I t was a heart breaking decision, but he was total care and I couldn’t lift him in and out if bed.
Having care takers in the home was so expensive and I needed 24/7 help.
I have made it very clear in ny advanced directive no feeding tube, comfort care only.
Also I have told my children I do not want to live with them, they have their lives and I will not be a burden to them.
I have been in a nursing home for extended time because of surgeries, my husband would not provide care I needed.
I know what they are like, but I will not burden my kids.
Fircyour safety and sanity find a place for your mom. Any family member who makes a comment, say to them where were you when I needed a break
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Have you considered calling your local Ombudsman? (sp)

Or contacting any agency in the Dementia/Alzheimer's area There are so many places, and I am not saying it is easy, but the hospitals cannot even put up bars on the beds because that is entrapment.

Where do you live?

Best of luck and stay strong
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madhatter632 Aug 2019
Hospital beds have full rails the legalities you're referring to have more to do with the issue that someone is being left for long periods of time unattended.
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A quick Follow up hope this helps.........

I spoke with a few Hospice Nurses the other day and told them the situation you were going through they honestly didn't see any real issues with what you were doing as long as obviously you weren't just locking her in, to lock her in.
Still if I was in you position I'd be contacting local Hospice centers for help they have great resources to aid you and support including Respite which sounds like you need ASAP.

To those that keep preaching Nursing Homes are the answers to all your worries and why some folk are unable or unwilling is -
Because those facilities aren't "Free"............
Medicaid doesn't cover everyone.......
It's considered Abuse to drop off a child or a senior with the attitude that you can no longer handle it........

I had no Idea Long Term Care Insurance was even a thing until recently neither of my parents knew about it either.
As far as Medicaid, I'm speaking from first hand experience and the experience that many in the medical industry have witnessed, in our situation the state has 100% approved my mother for long term aid to help me help her. Medicaid has been the road block and I'm finding out the deeper I dig they don't always approve Long Term Nursing Home Care, so it's not a given, some people are pretty much forced into the situation from the moment they got involved and that moment you got involved you began the concerns of having to answer to the state if something goes wrong, it's a tough spot to find yourself in for some.
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Myownlife Aug 2019
It is NOT abuse to no longer be able to care for a senior. If you cannot, you cannot.
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First off, I am sorry that you are having a difficult time taking care of your mum. I understand the need to keep her safe vs the need for you to get rest and have a sane mind. I too was dealing with my mum getting up at night walking back and forth turning on lights, going out in the yard thinking she heard me crying or screaming and on a couple of times she locked herself out. First thing I would tell you is to buy https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D2K367Y/ for the front door. It is a lifesaver. At least we now can sleep at night knowing she's safe inside. We got it in March, and by May, my mum no longer goes to the door and tries to get out. Can you put a child's gate in front of the stairs to keep her from falling down? Maybe something from this list can help you https://www.safety.com/baby-proofing/. To get my mum to sleep, I purchased melatonin 3 mg and it worked wonders. Now, after 4 months she sleeps on her own and doesn't need it anymore. Can you leave some healthy snacks in her room at night for her to snack on should she get hungry so she doesn't try and cook things by herself? Can you two go for a stroll in the evening? Perhaps doing this will calm her down in the evening and she'll feel sleepy. I was tying rope from my mum's door to the computer room to lock her in before we got the front door lock to keep her safely inside at night so I get it. I also purchased https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DTXKOTM/ should your mum have a tendency to turn on the lights when she gets up. I hope you can find a solution for you both.
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Thank you for all your responses. I agree with almost all of them. It's hard for us all I really really pray for caregivers. We are the ones with our life on hold. Since my mom messes with the gas I am thinking of shutting it off and getting a plug in cooker. She goes up and down the stairs all day. My mother won't put on clothes. She walks around with a blouse and underwear. Tinkling all over the house. When I get upset and tell her about it. She says it's her house. No matter how much we may argue or disagree she forgets in a hour. This woman who was always modest and dressed gorgeous and stunning. Kept a beautiful home. Now is walking around half naked won't bath urinating in jars or anything she can. I hate I cannot have a clean house or room for her. We clean carpets constantly. I know I need to stop whining but I miss people and the community I called my brothers on Sunday no answers what jerk's. Someone talked about gardening which I do love. I am going to do it more and Mom can watch. I love her and feel so sorry for her. But lose my mind and resent her when I see the filthy things she does. I will ignore her and won't talk to her. Then give in. I KNOW she cannot help it...smh. And when she smells horrible I'm the one who cannot handle the fact she has a disease..Why she won't bath or cannot smell herself??? I tell her what's wrong with you. And I already know...smh. So I take all my meds before I go into her room. Tears run down my face as I read so many post. Because I know. But just the fact that people respond to me whatever they have to say good or bad helps me so much I'm communicating with others that bond is keeping me together.
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worriedinCali Aug 2019
You don’t need to stop whining! Let it all out. This is a safe place to let out the frustrations of caregiving ❤
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Misseverything - so glad that you hear back from you. Sometimes, people post a question and never comes back.

Your mother has a horrible disease, but it's you, the caregiver, that suffers. I understand because my mother, too, has Alz.
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Misseverything Aug 2019
Thank you too. People care and so do I . It's very hard to read some of the post. I want to do the right thing that's in my power to do. I cannot afford someone watching mom at nite. I'm going to get a monitor as well. Many blessings.
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I could have sworn that you were talking about my Mom. We did the same thing. Had to put a lock on the bedroom door. We were lucky to have a bathroom in her bedroom area. Something that might also help is a device that is made to install at your driveway to tell if someone pulls up. We installed it just outside her door and we can be alerted when she gets up and passes the boundaries of her room. Driveway Patrol Wireless Home Security Alarm System - 400 Feet Range. Just under $25 and so worth it. We also had to change the locks on the front door so that we needed a key to get out which we kept near the door. I suppose that there may be some legal issues on this but you also have to do what you need to do to keep her safe and wondering out at night, turning the gas on and playing in the kitchen is not safe. Tell yourself that you can only do what you can do and try not top let it all build up. You have to take care of your self as well.
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Misseverything Aug 2019
Thank GOD for you and your post. When I put my mom to bed I make sure she has snacks and water juice and fruit . I give her meds and cut her TV on. She always cuts her TV off. That's another thing downstairs she would unplug the TV the internet the fan the lights anything with a plug. I really do have some peace of mind locking her door. Then I know for certain she's not wandering about doing weird things. I can close my eyes whether I sleep or not. She has no ideal the door is locked. She gets stuck in our downstairs bathroom all the time the door gets jammed and I open it for her. So she thinks the same upstairs. And shakes it and most of the time gets back in bed. This is the reality of the situation she is safe and so are we. Many blessings to you and your family.
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Thank you for coming back and adding more, sometimes the details make all the difference.

The fact that she is content to go back to bed when she can't get out makes your choice much less troubling. Your updated statement that you are aware and able to listen for trouble is also much different than if you were so sleep deprived you would sleep through a bomb blast, which is what I took from your initial post.

The fact that you've gotten so many replies so swiftly shows that you have hit a nerve that many of us can relate to. You've also been given a wealth of information on coping strategies, I hope you find some of them useful.
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Misseverything Aug 2019
Thank you so much I have been explaining exactly why I have to lock her in. I would never leave her locked in while I left the house under no circumstances. It's for her safety and mine. At nite only I'm down the hall listening and checking on her. She has snacks water juice boxes and fruit. YES I did feel guilty at first and scared to see what was gonna happen. But so far so good. Yes she shakes the door sometimes and sometimes she doesn't. When I do close my eyes I know mom is in no apparent danger. That gives me some piece of mind. I cannot and would not put her in a facility. Unless its no choice too. Many blessings to you.
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Sending you much love, hugs and care!!! Take care of yourself :)
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Misseverything Aug 2019
Lots of hugs plenty of love many many blessings.
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Sending you love from one daughter to another doing the best we can. You are a wonderful daughter. Remember that!
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Misseverything Aug 2019
Hi Sweetstuff I'm sending back to you lots of Hugs and peaceful sunsets . Yes we're all in this together..Many blessings.
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I have inexpensive cameras that I can view on my smartphone. Go to amazon and look up Amcrest cameras you can set them up high on the wall and she won’t notice them. Then you can view parts of your house from your phone in real time if you have a smart phone and wifi
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Just want to say none of this is easy but we do it. You sound like you thought this through & I hope it gives you the rest you need. Maybe once you’re rested you can look into other solutions people here have suggested. Any help you could get would be welcomed I’m sure & the hard part is reaching out & looking for it. Alzheimer’s association, department of aging. You don’t need to mention your temporary night time solution just that you’re alone & want to see what help might be available. Hope it gets better.
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Misseverything Aug 2019
Hi you are exactly right. Thank you.
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I put her bedside toilet at the end of the bed where she would have trouble getting out. I do have a latch on the door, but don't always use it. There is an alarm mat that you can get that will sound in your room - they are not cheap, around $130 or so, but it, or a baby monitor, would help you know if she is getting up and about. I have had to do this. My health is so bad right now that the doctor said 'try to get at least seven hours sleep.' I rarely do, but I cannot take having to get up all through the night. I give her natural sleeping pills that help knock her out, but some days are busy and she gets agitated. If she was yelling about not being able to get out, I wouldn't do it, but she doesn't seem upset.
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Hugs Hugs Hugs. My Mom passed in June. I miss her terribly but not this phase of the disease. I bought these locks: https://www.amazon.com/Defender-Security-10827-Door-Reinforcement/dp/B00D2K367Y/ref=asc_df_B00D2K367Y/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=168489986144&hvpos=1o6&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13579224786629561476&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9005779&hvtargid=pla-307199445541&psc=1 They're cheap and not only could Mom not figure it out, neither could our kids or friends. It provided some entertainment and you need that. I also bought Levana baby monitors, you can get them a Walmart, Target and Kohls. I could use them to talk to Mom if she needed help, or to tell her supper was ready, or to just look in and see if she was ok when I needed piece of mind. I could also be outside in the garden and check in on her. I set one up in her bedroom, bathroom and the combined living room/kitchen. They weren't too expensive. There are other brands that might fit your needs better. I tried the 'obstacles' route. That just made things more dangerous for us. Mom was persistent and smart. She overcame them all and sometimes that was a risky proposition. Still, I admired her tenacity ;-) Hugs again. Oh yeah, we did use stronger meds to help get through this phase. I hated that hey zombied her but for all our safety we needed some sleep. Once she calmed down we dropped those meds (tho whole suite of antipyschotics you're not supposed to give dementia patients).
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Neile6 Aug 2019
hello rojo1215,
your answer was helpful to me. I’m caring for my husband who has dementia. He’s up through the night a lot, he takes off his pull ups, wets everything... it’s a circus and I’m TIRED. The dr. said I can give him clonopin or seroquel but I’ve read not to give drugs to people with dementia and have been putting it off... we’re these the drugs your mom was on for a time? Thanks for any advice.
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Intherecliner suggested you "...switch the stove from gas to electric and then unplug the stove when not in use..." Unplugging it would be somewhat inconvenient (but safe from the patient), however there are easier options.

Although this can be an expense you cannot afford, it is a good option. I cannot verify that all new stoves, washers, dryers come with a control lock option, but I will hazard a guess that they do.

I can say that microwaves DO have this option. I never realized they did, until mom somehow locked the controls and YB had to "fix" it. When he told me how it works, I tried it on my own AND tried it on a very old one that I still have. They and the latest one I have now all have this feature AND the stove, washer and dryer all have it as well. This is MUCH easier than unplugging it all the time (especially LARGE appliances like a stove/washer/dryer! I lock my washer and dryer because the cats sometimes turn them on when jumping up/down from them!)

METHODS used to lock controls:
Microwave - Press and Hold the stop/cancel button for about 3 seconds.
Repeat to unlock.
My stove uses the "start" button, but same method - press/hold 3 seconds.
My washer and dryer have a Control Lock button - press/hold for 3 seconds.

Another option for electric stoves is to remove the control knobs, however some ingenious people would get pliers or something to turn the knob end...

I also like the idea of using those child-proofing door knob covers vs locking the door. If she can open it with one of those, then back to locking it...
Also, don't they make child locks for refrigerators too? Consider some for the cabinets and drawers as well... inexpensive way to keep her out of the fridge, kitchen cabinets and drawers - not sure if those would work on dressers, but it can't hurt to give it a try!

Just came back to add thoughts about the suggestion to use a baby gate - if she is downstairs and you want to keep her down there, perhaps. Some stairways are not designed to use baby gates, such as those with just railing on one side (unless you can add nasty holes to screw it in.) IF it is possible to put one in at the bottom, make sure it is high enough that she cannot climb over it (or even attempt to.) Baby gates are designed for "little" people.... As for the top of the stairs, this is a dicey solution. She could either try to get over it and fall OR just her weight alone could dislodge it, also leading to a fall.

Mom put one at the top of the stairs to the finished basement in their condo, so dad wouldn't fall. The stairway was right outside their bedroom. I found their stairs to be rather steep, which is ridiculous in a 55+ condo community! When we were ready to put it on the market, the realtor wanted us to take it down. I said no. People unfamiliar with the place might have a mishap, step backwards out of the bedroom and down they go! I said we would remove it if the buyer wanted it gone. Personally I thought it was mostly a reminder than a safety gate. If an adult were to stumble and fall on it, they'd likely go over it. Again, baby gates are designed for BABIES! Although our LOs with dementia may be drifting back in time to babyhood, they are still full-size people!
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Why is a memory care place out of the question? If she needs it, medicaid might pay for it.
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