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Probably he should be in a memory-unit already, but an Assisted Living might be satisfactory for some time. Good places for old folks exist - with luck, even in your area. Our solution: Independent Living where we lived together in an apartment, with great services - and in the same compound, assisted living, which he needed after 3 years. Finally, he needed memory care, which was available several miles away. I drove it for months, then decided to move to an independent apt there - where we could have meals together.

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Well. If it were me I'd call social services, and make no bones about it.

Your mother isn't in denial, she is in hiding.

I don't blame her. She must be furious to find herself dealing with this. She is stuck with a useless deadbeat imposter instead of her husband. It is onerous, strenuous, depressing and miserable; and the light at the end of the tunnel really is only an oncoming train.

But your father needs better care than this, and your mother needs MUCH better, more structured support. The family isn't listening to you. Fine: then let them hear the reality from the professionals.
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garden, what I don’t like also is the emotional burden from this... try not to give in to guilt, etc. Can you schedule and attend his next dr appt. and lead the conversation to him receiving nurse visits a few days a week. Talk to the office staff ahead of time or send a letter, that’s what I did, and state all the things that have happened (in concise list form, with dates). It will be doctor prescribed, and may make more sense to everyone. These distant vacations are OFF the menu for him! Is there any existing connection to church or a civic group that you can leverage to solicit visits or some counseling for just you or the other siblings too?
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I feel for you! My mom was in denial but pretty much rejected my dad. She refused to cook so he went hungry. She refused to learn how to deal with a dementia patient and was mean and nasty to him. She ran off the home health care that was lined up. In my parents' case, I think my dad always did the "hard stuff" of life and mom was the one who got to pursue her hobbies and dreams. When dad could no longer take care of the day-to-day stuff like money management, bills, driving, decisions, etc., she seemed to get majorly pissed off. Several medical professionals have specifically told her: "he's not doing this TO you, this is happening TO him". Because she refused to care for him he had to be moved to memory care a year ago. Now she is filled with guilt and is miserable.
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I guess what all of this boils down to is competency. And there is no obvious answer. Your parents are adults and as such are free to make the decision to live as they do. I suspect she is of the belief that the more normal activities he does, the slower he loses those abilities. Her problem is not knowing how far the line has shifted in terms of how capable he is because she is so close to it. My suggestion about her desire to travel? Invite a responsible companion to travel with them. If it is not a family member (or two!) make sure that a good working relationship has been developed with them first. If she balks at having a "stranger helping in the house" point out that it would be good to "test drive" individuals just in case she is under the weather and your dad or she needs assistance. Instead of faulting her for sleeping elsewhere, empathize that she does need her sleep. Express your concern for dad, however, and suggest a baby monitor in his room or a lifeline button that registers a fall that your dad can wear. By introducing tinier accommodations and them benefitting from them, they may become more aware of the need and open to the various solutions.
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Gardengurl25, it is all denial on the part of your Mom and probably some part on your Dad.

My Mom was the same way except she was a helicopter spouse when it came to my Dad, thus very caring and hands-on but not realizing that being in their 90's, a simple fall for someone decades younger may result in no injuries, a fall when someone is in their 90's can be worrisome.

My Mom was still seeing Dad as this guy who could fix anything on her honey-do list, thus still thinking he was in his 50's instead of in his 90's. My Dad was still climbing up tall ladders. Also Dad would tumble over when outside pulling weeds. He would tumble over when trying to tie his shoes when sitting in his recliner. It wasn't easy for him to get up.

My Dad was just as much at fault regarding denial. Whenever he went outside he asked my Mom to keep a watch for him in case he fell. Dad forgot that Mom was legally blind and had lost most of her hearing. Numerous times neighbors would find Dad face down in the dirt, and my Mom looking out the window not quite sure what she is seeing... [sigh].

I tried to lure my folks into a tour at a wonderful retirement complex which had an indoor pool [Dad loved to swim],and very large 2,000sqft apartments. They looked at the brochure and said "maybe in a couple of years"..... oh, great guess they are waiting until they are 100 !!

Many of us here had to play the waiting game. Thus wait until something very serious happened before anything could be change. My Mom refusal of caregivers and moving into something safer was literally her down fall.... she spent her remaining months in long-term-care. And Dad sold the house and moved to Independent Living.
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As my bedridden, incontinent husband’s sole caregiver, I totally understand burnout, stress, frustration and denial. If the funds were there, I’d place hubby in a facility even though I’m aware he’d be gone in a year. If things continue the way they are, I WILL be the one who’s “gone”. My kids could send me all the caregiving videos and tips they want, but when it comes down to it, I am the one who deals with a 68 year old’s dirty diapers and constant demands. And I don’t have the luxury of fantastic vacations. A trip to Subway is my “night out”.

Someone needs to get to your mom and kindly and lovingly talk to her about what’s going on. If they can afford those trips, they should be able to afford an aide to come in once a day. The aide can monitor Dad’s health and well-being, and Mom’s as well. The aide can also suggest alternate placement and put it in such a way that Mom and Dad will agree. Unless you’ve walked a daily mile in Mom’s shoes, you don’t know the day to day trials of what she’s going through.
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Here is an update, rather than meeting with me and my other siblings, my brother talked to my mom who insisted they do not want outside help although they may need it some time down the road. I asked my brother what his thoughts were.

This was his reply:

I think she is probably right but we need to make sure if she needs a break we step in. Cooking and cleaning are things that Mom loves. So I think she actually gets enjoyment out of taking care of dad. She likes to feel needed. She also doesn’t want to feel like they are giving up their independence. I think this last fall that dad just had has made Mom realize that she cannot have him do certain things. I guess we will try and monitor that here in the next couple weeks and see what he is doing. It is a tough situation because 99% of the time dad is not doing much and he is perfectly safe and happy. We just need to make sure mom knows what he is doing. And does not tell him to do crazy things!

My brothers involvement so far in taking care of my dad is to stop by the house for cookies and cakes that my mom always makes and trips to the ER with my dad and the occasional overnight stay if my dad has to be in the hospital overnight because my mom refuses to stay at night.

He is obviously in just as much denial as my mom and I feel there is nothing more I can do. I will not enable my moms terrible behavior. She won’t even turn on music or a tv show my dad likes when he is spending the entire afternoon sitting in his recliner. She is mentally and physically capable of caring for him, she chooses not to. He can still get dressed, showered etc. and in and out of chairs by himself so she isn’t having to physically maneuver him.

I am pretty angry right now but I have to step back. If anyone is so inclined I would really appreciate prayers because this is going to be hard. My brothers wife and my mom will be telling anyone who will listen what a rotten horrible person/daughter I am once they realize I am not going to be the child that ‘steps in to give her a break ‘

We don’t live in the same town but they are both rural and close enough that everyone knows everyone, or is somehow related, lol. They both have pretty narcissistic personalities so this will be nothing new.

I have done all I can and whatever happens is on them. I am so thankful to all of you here, I have no one to talk to about all this who has dealt with it.
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Gardengurl,
First, you can stop looking at your Mom as Dad's caregiver, because she is no longer qualified, may be burnt out too.

If this continues down the same train track, an intervention will be necessary, and they will be separated into different facilities or housing. That is never ideal.

Looking for an assisted living apartment for both to be together could work, if it i s not too late for that.
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This is probably the best way mom feels to be able to handle dad without tiring out herself.
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Thank you for all your replies. I have been lurking here for years and so having confirmation of some things is always nice. It’s because of all of you I realized I needed to not put myself in the position of caregiver/fixer of everything.

My mom has always been self centered and unable to have empathy for others. It wasn’t as obvious until now just how bad.

I grew up in a multigenerational farm family, my brother is the 3rd generation and one of his daughters will probably be continuing that tradition to make it a 4th generation. So my dad was very independent and a hard worker and would still be working if he could. He finally had to retire at 72 because of the Alzheimer’s, although I don’t think he retired in his mind. He will be 75 this fall.

I do the majority of their lawn and garden care (about 1.5 acres of lawn and flower gardens). So for a good part of the spring/summer/fall I am there and my mom makes sure to send my dad out to ‘help’ me. Which is fine with me because he is the sweetest most kind man. He is happy to hoe weeds and then sit and rest where I can see him. Sure, I have to modify what I am doing and make sure he is doing something safe while still feeling like he is contributing. My kids love being there and working outside too and my six year old even helps by bringing us glasses of water every couple of hours. I always make sure he has a snack or lunch depending on what time of day it is. When we have family functions I usually sit next to him so my mom can interact with others and have a good time. I know this is not at all the same as 24/7 and try really hard to remember that and not be unfair on her.

There was another incident last night. My brother was by their house feeding heifers (the pen is less than 200 feet from my parents house). My mom decided my dad needed exercise at dusk and sent him down to my brother to return a pan. My dad often falls when he gets going because he can’t stop his feet when he gets going, this is not a new problem it’s been going on for years but is getting worse. My brother wasn’t able to get to him fast enough so my dad fell, hit his head and had to go to the hospital for stitches. My mom didn’t even go and instead made my brother take my dad. He then had a reaction to the numbing medicine and his heart rate went really low for about ten minutes plus the hospital said he was dehydrated.

The only good to come from this is that my brother now actually agrees that we need to meet with mom and talk about things. Unfortunately he thinks talking to mom will then cause her to suddenly become a capable caregiver. I’ve been trying that for over 2 years, it’s not going to happen. So I am hoping to get him and mom on board with hiring in home caregivers. Hopefully that goes well, we are going to meet within the next few days. I already have information about in home caregiver agencies ready so hopefully I can at least make my brother see reason. He is the oldest and my parents tend to listen to him while treating me like I’m stupid and have no idea what I’m talking about.

My mom is definitely in denial. I think her vision of retirement was lots of traveling plus she was used to my dad working all day and she was free to spend her days doing whatever she wanted. She hasn’t accepted her new reality and has a 2 week cruise to Alaska already planned for this summer and is talking about a trip to the British Isles next year.

I suppose I will see how the meeting goes and then decide what to do after that.
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Rock and a hard spot for sure.

I only want to say that do not offer to be caregiver, if they can afford it, it should be a trained professional. Your brothers think you should offer yourself for free caregiving aid, are they worried about their inheritance?

See if you can convince dad to wear a life alert, this will provide help when he falls in the night.

It sounds like your mum is playing ostrich or she herself is having some cognitive issues.

As others have said, sometimes it takes an emergency and pray it's not a tragedy that could have been avoided.

God be with your parents and keep them safe, and may He send you answers and help so they are both getting the help they need. HUGS 2 u!
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Big ask here. How about the next time that your mum wants to go away, you offer to sit/take care of your dad?

I know it is a HUGE ask, but this way you can assess him, see what it is like to actually walk a mile in her shoes and may be get Area Agency on Aging to get an assessment done?

The biggest problem with doing this is, that you get sucked it and end up taking care of one or both on them. So be careful!

Such a problem. Good luck.
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My first thought is what is the state of Mom's competency? She does not sound as though she is playing with a full deck either. Can you get her to have an evaluation?
has she always been so self centered or is this a new development?
Leaving all that aside how has their relationship been over the years. Does Mom really dislike Dad and simply wants as little to do with him as possible?
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If your parents will cooperate, one idea is to call their local Area Agency on Aging and ask for a need assessment. Be prepared to attend so that when mom says that dad is independent, you can gently supply accurate information.

Armed with this info ( what the level of care needed, available resources) you can perhaps have a plan in place for when mom falls ill and dad needs more care; or if dad falls ill, to provide a baseline of his functioning.
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I am saddened by your mother's inability to recognize the level of care your father needs. But, as I think back over my caregiving years, I realize that sometimes it was difficult to determine whether my father needed more or less care. He was a strong man and rarely admitted to needing help.

And I think if someone doesn't have the experience to recognize some symptoms, there's more likelihood of missing critical issues. How we can alert ourselves to those critical symptoms isn't always an easy task. I think it can be easy to rationalize a situation and miss the telltale signs.

I've been thinking that caregiving classes should be more available, perhaps through hospitals, or SNFs or memory care facilities. I would have welcomed insight on how to detect signals of change or other aspects of aging, including for myself.

I really think people need caregiving classes more than they need the literally proliferating exercise classes with gimmicks. They remind of the classic line in Gypsy - that "you gotta get a gimmick." Whatever happened to just plain exercise?

Gardengurl, I wish I had some advice to offer you. It must be painful to see your father being mistreated or ignored, but right now the only recourse I can think of is involving APS. But you don't really want to punish your mother - she just may be missing the seriousness of the situation.

Does she take him to medical appointments, and if so, could you brief the doctors before the appointments so they know what to look for and how to raise the subject of proper care?

Would she read any literature on Alz? Or go to any free classes? Do you think the preoccupation with solitaire is an escape activity?

If she doesn't want to care for him, could you bring in help, or would she resist having a caregiver in the house? Perhaps if you interviewed agencies, tried to set up some meet and greet situations....would she be more responsive if you took the initiative to get help?

Another thought is to contact the Alzheimer's Assn. and ask one of the social workers for suggestions.
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Thank the Lord you can't be the caretaker! They would wear you out and drive you crazy, believe me.... Do you really think they'll let you "manage" them at all? I know you want to help, and the stuff you're saying is horrific, but they will not listen to you, will they? Drop the guilt about not being available; just take care of your family, and when the crisis comes, help if you can, where you can. Most important - PRAY for them!
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Sometimes an emergency has to happen before help is admittedly needed or recognized assisted living is necessary. Sounds like mom is in denial. Not much you can do. Mom, eventually will get exhausted and then maybe, maybe realise that she is not able to provide the care dad needs. There is always an option to have Adult Protective Services check in on dad. Or call the Area Agency on Aging to get an assessment done to determine needs.
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