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Really. You know your dad experienced childhood trama while living in such a place and you’re baffled by his attitude and behavior. Coupled with ALZ, which brings another dimension, you would be fearful too. Unless it doesn’t phase you that your dad could easily lose his way and have no idea how to get home or worse have a car accident; common sense dictates he should not be driving.
Yes it is challenging and requires fortitude to the nth degree; but your dad needs y’all to step up and be responsible. Find ways to help him. Think. Be creative. Granted the situation is fluid. Most of all protect him. Do you have children? Isn’t your dad’s behavior like that of a child. Once a man - Twice a child.
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Nainoa Jun 2021
We didn’t realize or know until this situation presented itself that there was an underlying issue of childhood trauma that was triggered.
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I have been responsible for my MIL (mother in law) for 8 yrs. She is now living in my home, not mobile and in the later stages of the disease. She was in assisted living for 5 years and has lived with us the last 3 years. With assisted living she did a lot of complaining, whining, and always wanted to go back home. Now that she lives with us she is telling us how great it was there and she wants to go back. Moral of the story - they always want to go back home. How to deal with it... if he cannot remember what you said to him an hour later or a day later, you tell them what they want to hear. I call it responding to their fantasy world. Yes its lying but its not lying to hurt them. When mom gets mad at me she wants to move. I tell her I will get her moved tomorrow. She feels she has control and she is getting what she wants. A day later she doesn't remember anything(most of the time an hour later). She does not enjoy car rides anymore but she will tell me she wants to go out. I tell her we will go in about an hour. Some things happen that make me laugh. Last week she thought it was Christmas. We talked about going to a Christmas music special, made plans about what she would wear and it gave her something to look forward to. She was happy (that does not happen a lot anymore). What made me laugh is that she told me she wanted to move because I did not have any Christmas decorations up. Oh well, can't win them all. :) I join her in her fantasy world and do my best to put her at ease and tell her the things she wants to hear. She does not remember anything hours or a day later but she was calm and I eased her anxiety.
The disagreements come when its something important. Usually that is about taking her medications or having to see the a Dr. I hope that helps.
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disgustedtoo Jun 2021
"I call it responding to their fantasy world. Yes its lying but its not lying to hurt them."

Yup. True lies are for CYA or hurting others. The "fibs" we use are to agree with them and, as you say, give them some sense of "control" in their life. As long as the timing of the pending activity is left vague, they are "satisfied" and usually forget.

Also:
"Now that she lives with us she is telling us how great it was there and she wants to go back."

So many interpret "home" as where they lived prior to AL/MC or some post-death "home." Unless they specify, it takes a little time and effort to go along with the desire and figure out what "home" really means to them. The first 9 months in MC, home for my mother was the condo she lived in for 25 years. Suddenly, out of the blue, she asked about going to her mother's (gone 40+ years) and if I had a key to the house, giving the street and town address. The condo was no longer "home" for her. It was sold 25+ years ago, but they owned it for many years, so it would fit into the 40+ years ago time frame. Other comments from her about a cousin's baby and her own sister were also in that 40 year time frame, so clearly her memory of anything more recent was gone.

Had the strokes not taken her, I suspect "home" would eventually have become some other place we had lived or where she grew up.
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Not a doctor or expert but wondering did the doctor diagnose the advanced dementia with the quick tests, draw a clock, remember these 4 words, etc? This does not sound like advanced dementia. You may want more extensive testing so you know what to expect.

The memory loss will cause the switching of wants and likes everyday. My Mom will one day love liver worst and the next day it tastes really bad. Same package. Its because her sense of taste is changing but she doesn't remember that either! One day she is appreciative that I moved in with her, the next she demands I get out she doesn't want anybody and doesn't need any help. Just have to roll with it and change the subject. Next day will change again! By the end of 3 months your dad may have forgotten he was going back home in 3 months. Did you move some familiar items for him and make placements similar to at home? The more comfortable he is moment to moment will help him adjust.

Go with him to activities in the facility, walk around and meet people with him, make it as familiar as you can.
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Countrymouse Jun 2021
It sounds like advanced dementia to me. Don't be taken in by a person's being articulate, nor even by their being consistent in their arguments. Yesterday I was with a client who was antagonistic from the moment I arrived at her home. Looking at my colleagues' notes, I can see she has been consistent and clear for five weeks that she does not require support of any sort, is perfectly capable of cooking and looking after herself, is entirely healthy, and, as she herself put it angrily: "do I look like I need any help?!"

I sympathised. It must be intensely annoying to be faced every day with a series of stupid strangers coming into your house and insisting that it's dinner time, sent there by you know not whom and gazing at you like a lot of reproachful sheep over the top of their idiotic masks.

This lady doesn't know her own name, and considers it an unreasonable question. She can't identify bread. She insists that she's perfectly capable of getting herself a drink when she wants one: the reality is that she can no longer carry out the sequence of taking a glass from the cupboard and filling it, she doesn't know where to begin.

Dementia robs people of all sorts of different abilities, and leaves others wholly intact. It is a vicious b*st*rd.
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3 things:
1 - the earlier he goes in the better he will make the memories to be able to navigate the facility on his own = better quality of life in the long term
2 - when my Mum said this to me ... I gave her wallet & said 'there is everything in this to arrange your own transport home .... I don't think it is wise so you must do this on your own' ... it never happened so it was her choice [?]
3 - get him involved - my Mum did 10 activities a week not including religious ones - she loved the crafts, bingo, Friday afternoon 'HAPPY HOUR' with non-alcoholic drinks, sing alongs etc
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does maybe he need to be in a memory care section? sounds like someone that needs to be where there is constant care and around other people. do you have POA? sorry to hear that he had childhood trauma but unless your loved one has money to have a "live in" caregiver that is there 24/7 or even 2 that can change out shifts........I don't know if being by himself is good. IF he doesn't have funds, get in touch with a good Elder attorney, but also if the doctor advises that he NOT live by himself, that is one thing you can mention to your father. OR tell him that you are having things updated at the house and it might be several more months before he can or able to go home. And why even go thru with a driving test because what happens IF for some reason, he passes? then what? sounds like a memory care unit is best for him because he will only progress more into not being able to do anything. i wish you luck.
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I am having this exact problem with my dads wife. He is 93 and fairly healthy and active. She is mean and aggressive. She believes they are in assisted living because of my dad and blames him for her having to move. We are actually afraid she will cause harm. They have been there 3 days. They separated for 2 months because of her anger issues and he was not safe at home. At least here they are supervised. We are not alone it seems, but it feels that way sometimes.
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Well, your father has been there for less than three weeks having agreed to a three month trial. I'm sorry he's struggling with it, and I'm sorry for the stress you're going through, but it sounds as if the best thing is carry on regardless. Give him more time to develop relationships with the staff and acclimatise to the new routines; and perhaps the family should step back to help with that, too.

Your father is right about the upheaval making him feel disoriented and unable to cope (not the whole story, of course, but certainly a factor). You only have to think how you could probably find your way around your own house blindfold to realise how much difference being familiar with a place makes to your everyday routine. But his new apartment is probably better laid out for his current needs than his old home was, so focus on that and find things to be ethusiastic about - how accessible/convenient/thoughtfully designed or whatever the features are.

Then, be reasonable in your expectations of him. Let alone the probability that he simply can't retain and process information enough to grasp exactly what's happening, there is also the point that even if he did understand - even at times when he actually does understand most of it - that doesn't mean he has to like it. He's entitled to his feelings. Acknowledge them. Move on, back to the positives.

Be reasonable in your expectations of yourself, too! - and have confidence in yourself, that you are using your best judgement to find the best option for him among what is actually possible. Best, unfortunately, can sometimes feel like "least worst"; but that isn't your doing. You can't solve dementia.

So: wait and see, and keep going. It's reasonable to hope that he will become more comfortable. Are you happy with the facility's approach to assisting him? - are you talking to the people there about how best to help him?
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Bdette144 Jun 2021
I think you nailed it. The issues of being disoriented, in a strange place, and the disease itself.

To Nainoa
It is indeed “the least worst” scenario, but you and your family made the right choice.
try to detach yourself emotionally (yes, it’s difficult to put it mildly). The priorities are that he is safe and has the care he needs. You are providing that.
Perhaps when he asks to go home, remind him that the deal was three months. Remind him that he is safe, he is loved. Keep repeating it. Can you read to him? Take him for walks? Sit and watch a movie.
i am sure you have discussed this with the Assisted Living staff. They may give you some “survival “ tips. This is not new to them.

I wish you strength in this complex and distressing time.

Take care of yourself. You can only do so much.

Bernadette
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Work on having a positive perspective and put your smile on when you go to visit. He will take cues from you, your demeanor, as well as your words.
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I wish I had a better answer for you. My dad was the same. I put both parents in an assisted living home after they were diagnosed. By the time he was diagnosed he was in end-stage Alz. It broke my heart that he was so against it, but there wasn't much I could do about it. I tried taking care of them both and it just wasn't possible, not if I wanted to maintain my marriage too.

My dad passed away in 2018. He had his happy days and bad ones too, but I did the best I could given the situation. My mum also had dementia and she is not happy in the home. I'm going to be bringing her to one of our homes with a full time live in caretaker. I also have two other people to rotate for care taking, and I think she'll be happier there. The difficulty is though that no matter what, they have been deprived of their previous lives by way of losing their proverbial minds. It's a difficult situation at best, and you should not feel guilty about how you're dad feels. You just have to do the best you can.
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I suggest you focus on adjusting to his environment. Join him at lunch and activities and get to know the other residents. It will help him when you enjoy yourself with him and his friends. A very helpful tip for you and the staff: He's STAYING for a while - not "LIVING" there. "Staying" can be short or long; it can be a couple of days or ten years. "Living there" is permanent, forever, with no escape. (Words matter)

I also recommend that you avoid reminding him of his decisions in the past. Stay in the NOW. Validate his feelings, so if he loves the facility one day and then hates it the next day, just sympathize with him and tell him you'll talk to people about changes he'd like. (Of course, you won't unless you feel his complaints are valid)

You'll be your dad's biggest advocate and best pal; - and you'll partner with his care team.

You'll be fine and your dad will be fine even if he has no idea that he's living with dementia. Diagnoses are pretty meaningless in my opinion unless they lead to much better care. One person could have been diagnosed with advanced dementia and still do really well with special programs and well-trained staff, whereas another person could have mild dementia and do very poorly and decline at an increased rate if they are deprived of intellectual and physical stimulation.
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You can't - and don't beat yourself up over it. It is the disease talking and occupying the body that was your father. The person you now see is not someone you knew, I know it sounds hard and harsh, but he has no way of understanding anything you say - he may make a decision but there will be no reasoning behind it. This is a cruel disease for the ones who love the person concerned, but somehow we have to accept that the person we loved no longer exists, the body lives but the person has died. Even visiting can make the situation worse for those who provide care for him as it can agitate the one we love and cause them more confusion and distress. If you can possibly bring yourself to have a couple of weeks holiday from visiting and see how he settles then it will give you a break and the staff will get a better idea of his needs and behaviour. Hugs to you and your family at a very difficult time.
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