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Before hospitilization my Mom was independant and living on her own. She fell and had alot of complications from the fall including rhabdomyolysis.She had COPD before going to hospital but wasn't on oxygen. Once stabilized she was on varies levels of oxygen. When she was released to rehab she was on 5 liters. She got phenomena while in rehab was rushed to the emergency room where she was put on a ventilator in the ICU. She was exintubated after 6 days and was on 8 litres of oxygen. With in 24 hours she was on a high flow machine for several days. They transferred her to IMCU and changed her oxygen and she was able to go to 10 litres at times but then at night have to go on high flow and then stayed on high flow. Dr wanted her to do bipap in ICU and IMCU at night she couldn't handle it, she tried hard. On the day we decided her,me and my husband into comfort care the DR had called me and said he couldn't do anymore for her unless she went on bipap which she tried and then ripped off. She was very coherent. She had a DNR but was willing to do it again if that made her better. When she went in comfort care it went very quickly. She died the next morning. My issue is the DR, palliative care and everyone else rarely had a meeting with us. it was always done in the room at their convenience. I didn't want my Mom to suffer any more. Drs were telling me that she probably won't come off the bipap or ventilator She had full right lung phenomena at 80 years old with COPD. She had been in bed for 2 months. I felt the medical industry made me feel like if I didn't get her into comfort care she would die a horrible death. Palliative care was confusing, absent and vague. We have this tremendous guilt that we rushed into comfort care. We didn't realize it would go that quickly even though the nurses told us she wouldn't last through the night. No DR ever came in during comfort care. How do I live with guilt and who do I talk to about what transpired. Did we kill my Mom when she had a chance? Should she had gone on the ventilator to give her a chance? Drs left us with no answers. I feel like we were tricked into comfort care.

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You did no such thing. Disease killed your mother. My husband's mother had emphysema and was put on a ventilator at 66 years old. The family had to make the decision to take her off of it, knowing she'd die right away, which is exactly what happened. They didn't feel like they "killed" her, they just felt heartbroken that her 2 pack a day habit caused such a horrible disease to begin with.

Once pneumonia sets in to such diseased lungs, combined with old age, there's no coming back from that. Thank God she didn't linger while suffereing.

My condolences on your loss. Grief counseling can help you put things into perspective. Best of luck to you.
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I am sorry for your loss, but hear me loud and clear....YOU DID NOT KILL YOUR MOM. Period, end of sentence.
The nurses told you that she wouldn't make it through the night and she didn't. So rest in the knowledge that your mom doesn't have to suffer any more and that she is now at peace.
You did what was best for your suffering mom and there is nothing wrong with that. You honored her wishes.
So please seek out some grief counseling. If your mom was under hospice care at the end they offer for free 13 moths of grief counseling. Also there is a grief support group called Grief Share that is free and is usually held at some of your local churches, so you can look into both those options.
God bless you.
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I don't understand completely all the intubating and ventilating care given, but from what you write here it seems she really did not have much of a chance whatever you decided. She had a DNR. She made that decision. I am so very sorry this happened to her and to you and your husband, but complications from falls are horrific. Please just miss her, grief for her, and hold her lovingly in your memories. Her death was not caused by you.
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Would your mother want you agonizing over this? No, she would want you to be at peace and working through your grief with a goal of healing, not self-blaming. She had COPD to begin with, and then many complications over two months. I'm sure your mother would want you to focus on the good memories of her full lifetime, not the challenging ones at the end.
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Studies by grief counselors tell us that THIS is why you feel that way:
People have a very hard time accepting death. Someone can like your mom be very ill, acutely and chronically with age related issues, COPD, falls, and etc, BUT we still are a very primitive animal. We do not want to accept that death does happen, will happen, and even don't accept it when it is very clear (as in your mother's case, that there is no cure, and nothing can be done.
So, rather than be left to have to walk into that valley of the shadow we choose ways to avoid it and the most typical way is blame. Usually it is the doctors, nurses, care facilities that get the blame. That is most typical.
However, sometimes we skip them and bring blame to our loved ones themSELVES. We say such things as:
"She continued to smoke even with awful lungs; she wouldn't take care of herself; she chose to leave me rather than take care of herself".

When we cannot blame the care system, cannot blame the victims of aging themselves, then we often turn the blame on OURSELVES and assume guillt, which is inappropriate as guilt requires that we did something awful to cause all this and did it out of evil intent.

As long as we can ruminate and marinate in this stew of BLAME we avoid grief. We can remain ANGRY. And anger is so much easier than grief. Grief is so final. We avoid it at all cost.

So that is what the studies say. And do know that there is now a diagnosed disorder called "complicated grieving" in the DSM-5 manual so that you can get insurance coverage for a good cognitive therapist to keep you from self harming while you heal from this painful loss.

I am so very sorry for your grief. I hope it will soon turn to healing thoughts and memories of a good life, a full life, a life with love in it that should be celebrated and by living your BEST LIFE, the one mom would want you to have.
I am 83. I know I will leave my daughter soon. She knows it as well. We speak of it. We even laugh about it. And I can tell you it will break my heart to pieces to see her do harm to herself over my loss.

Your mom won't ever be gone from you. At 83, mine sure isn't gone from me!
Just a small PS. You said "Why do I feel I killed my mom". This isn't healthy self-talk. It is, again, self harming. The words we use to ourselves are very strong. They form pathways of habit. They have great power over us. Much of cognitive therapy is a way to cure that "self-chatter that is negative" that we run through our brains like a rusty locomotive on a deteriorated track. It isn't health to use words as a bludgeon to others or to ourselves..You basically are asking "why do I feel responsible." Using that correct word can tell you that there is no way on earth for a loving daughter to be responsible for the death of her very ill mother.
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You were never going to be ready for your mother to die and it was always going to feel like it was rushed and you didn’t know to expect it.

This is called grief. You are grieving. Please remember to hydrate yourself during this time. Hugs.
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It is true that dying without comfort care CAN be a horrible death. You did your best based on the information you had, and mom died quickly and presumably without pain. Be grateful that you didn't let her suffer, and be grateful that she'd made it clear that she didn't want to suffer.

A fall is often the end for elderly folks. From what you have written, I gather that she would probably never have been able to live independently again. Please accept that it was her time to go, and that you did what mom wanted - you made sure she had no more suffering. You didn't kill anyone. She died because she couldn't get better. It will happen to all of us sooner or later.

Please avail yourself of the grief counseling that will be made available to you through her end-of-life hospice company. I wish you peace as you learn to process what has happened, and remember, it was her time.
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Caregivers often face this type of feeling. We take care of the boo-boos our children get along the way, are considered as "Dr. Mom" when they get sick, and even take care of our husbands when they have the man flu, the man cold, or whatever they get themselves into. And we usually do a darn good job of it. Now, when we are older, subconsciously I think we feel that we've got this, too. But, the game rules change because we are now caring for those who were our Caregivers. We can't wrap our heads around the fact that we are in uncharted territory for us. And when the outcome isn't "Mom the Hero", we feel that we have failed somehow. Most of my family members have succumbed to cancer, so we had all gotten used to seeing the steps progress as our loved ones' lives were stolen from them. I lived next door to my mom and had to wind up moving in with her after she had a stroke. Even with the use of a walker, she would still fall because her legs would just quit working. But then she started breaking bones and was gone within 3 months. Our family doctor, the nurses, family members and friends would all assure me that I had taken the best care of her that I was able to do. But it has taken five years, after finally getting some antidepressants, for me to reflect back upon those last three months and see that I did do the best I could. We can sit here and tell you not to beat yourself up, but you may still feel "guilty", even though you aren't. Please know this is a big boat we're all on, and take the life jacket offered through counseling/therapy. One day you will finally be able to remove it and feel confident again. We all feel your pain right now and we are happy to be here if you need to talk.
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Thank you everyone. I have printed out all your advice and highlighted key points to remember. You are all amazing and wonderful.
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AlvaDeer Jan 5, 2026
Thank YOU for letting us know that anything we might have said might be of help to you, D. It helps us to hear you say it. Hope you will stick around on the Forum to try to help others; you will have, on your journey with you mom, learned SO MUCH you can pass on. That does her honor. Every second you live your best life does her great honor.
In my grieving process when I lost my beloved brother I often wrote him in a journal. Just talked to him. About missing him, about what I saw, about what made me think of him, about things I worried I got wrong, about things we got right together. I decorated it with paper and paste and collage cutouts. I think I did that about a year. It sooooo helped me. Sometimes just a picture and a memory. It brought me close into the man I so missed. It's just an idea, maybe not for you. Maybe for you, a long walk, talking to your mom. Maybe just the Serenity Prayer here and there.
I surely do wish you the best.
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Rhabdo is very trying even on young people. It really causes a lot of damage to a person and it can be hard to recover from. If you were dealing with decisions about vents and things like that, and comfort care, she didn't really need a doctor all that much at that point, mostly just medicine to keep her as comfortable as possible. I don't think you were tricked.

What might make you feel better is to do a quick search on what doctors themselves choose to do at end of life. You will find out that they want to avoid ventilators and heroic measures. They don't ever really bring an elder back in good shape, or to a life that can be enjoyed.

CPR is one good example that a lot of drs refuse to have done when they are elderly. Why? Well, the chances that CPR brings back a loved one who is elderly are slim to none. But what is nearly guaranteed is that the elderly person will die with broken ribs, which are very painful. I've had broken ribs before, and it was awful. You should really see if there is a way to observe this happening in real life, not on TV, because it is incredibly violent and it hurts to have it done, or like on YouTube or something. It's not gentle and easy. If it would bring them back to a decent state that would be one thing but it usually won't. They will die anyway with broken ribs in terrible pain.

I think you are sad that your mom died and that is ok. It sounds like many things were tried but even drs said that she would not make it. You didn't "kill' your mom. It is normal to think this way after you lose someone. I really think you should try some counseling, as it will be very helpful. Reading through this forum will also be helpful, where you will read many many stories very much like yours. You will come to see that this is just what happens at the end of life, and there is not much we can do to stop any of it.
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