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My 84 year old mother is so horrible to me its like she waits for me to vist then bang youv stolen all my stuff youv got mental health problems your hideing stuff to drive me mad your a thieving cu... omg if i could write everything you wouldn't beleive me she has been narsissic all my life but these 5 years have been hell she locks all her stuff in a room then walks round shaking keys like a jailer shes hit me a few times talks to me like im sh*t has me crying all the time my health isnt good and im 61 she goes on and on and on i stood and screamed my head off the other day but all she said was dont be so dramatic she swears at me all the time shes hideing things all over the home then forgetting where shes put them but if i tell dr shes so convincing shed have the dr fooled that shes ok i cry all the time i have no one i worry if i go no contact becouse of her age but i do not like my mother and what shes put me through i wouldn't cry if she died i know thats a real bad thing to say but iv been to hell and back she calls me a thieving b all the time tells me to fu.. home tells me she dont need me but she does she has no one my health is suffering realy bad im on edge every time im at her home i feel like iv no life left i cry in the street just walking and thinking its awful would anyone go no contact with a mother age 85 who has no one shes an awful mother my dad left years ago becouse of her mentalness hes in care home now he was my hero i visit him but he doesnt know me now my heart is broken she laughs coz my dads in a care home with dementia shes so nasty i send big hugs to everyone who has abusive narsissic mothers

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I'm not worried about your punctuation or the fact that you didn't deal with this long ago. That is not what matters. What matters is that you are asking for help NOW and that's what you should be given.

Your mom sounds like a real piece of work. No one deserves to be treated like this and you need to cut and run. While most of her issues may stem from being a narrsisist, at her age of 85 I suspect a dose of dementia as well. Classic dementia to blame others for things they can't find and accusing people from stealing from them. Happens all the time.

Do you, or anyone, have POA? Do you have siblings? Has she been evaluated for dementia? Can she take care of herself? What does she depend on you for - except being her punching bag?

Severely and strictly limit your time with her while you ensure that her very basic needs are met. Does she drive? If you do errand for her, have everything delivered to her door, on her dime.

You may need to call Adult Protective Services and have them do a wellness check on her. If/when she ends up in the hospital, refuse to be her caregiver any longer.

Do not engage with her when you see her. Nicely and calmly say here is what you need. I'm leaving now. And then just go. No arguing. No crying. She thrives on that crap so do not give it to her. Just go!

I feel so bad for you. It sounds like complete crazy land and no one deserves to deal with that. She should be on a boat load of meds to manage her rather severe issues.

You come first!
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Geaton777 Jul 2023
I agree that it's not the primary issue that needs attention BUT punctation helps the readabiity of any post.

Also, paragraphs.

If the OP can edit the post it would be helpful.
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Never visit her, do not answer any calls from her and deny any responsibility for her. She is abusive and will not change. You don't owe her anything and your own mental and physical health is more important than any perceived responsibility or guilt for never seeing her again. Walk away, go live an enjoyable life.
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I'm so sorry for the distessing situation you are in. I had a 100-yr old Aunt who had advanced dementia and she was pretty verbally abusive and flung her arms around to clock anyone in her wingspan.

Your Mother is 85 years old. The person you are describing may have been a narcisist in past years, but now sounds like they have fairly advanced dementia (and assuming they were never diagnosed with any other mental illness that could cause the described behavior).

2 things:

What you are willing to do.
What you are able to do.

If you are not her PoA then the next time she is verbally or physically abusive to you, you call 911. Don't hesitate. You tell them she is delusional and threatening and they will take her to an ER. Once there, have them check her for a UTI. Tell them she is an "unsafe discharge". Don't let the hospital talk you into taking her back home even if they promise to "help"... they won't. Been there, done that. Just refuse to get her, or take her anywhere else.

Then ask to speak with a social worker at the hospital. They have the ability to have her discharged directly into a facility, or to keep her in the psych wing of their hospital. If you can accept this, then do it. If not, if you wish to keep her at home (which I'm assuming you share with her?) then I personally don't think you have many other options. Also, it's just not good for you. The last years of dementia are brutal and punishing to caregivers. You need to take care of yourself.

I wish you clarity, wisdom and peace in your heart as you find solutions.
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I’m so sorry that you are going through this with your mom. I don’t think I would visit someone who is abusive. You deserve better.

Have you considered going to a therapist to discuss your feelings on this matter? It won’t change your circumstances but it might help you to see it in a different light.

Wishing you peace and hoping that you will find the strength to walk away from this toxic relationship.
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Good advice below.

Please go no contact and take care of yourself.

I took so much abuse from my mom I ended up having a stroke. It took a horrible toll on my health. My cardiologist and neurologist even said the stress acerbated the stroke.

Stress is a REAL trauma.

You are not deserving of this abuse from her.
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southernwave Jul 2023
Stress is a real trauma. 100%. Indeed.
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First off, thank you for the hug! The only difference between you and me is I’m 60. Somehow our mothers were cloned from the same mold!!

Second, to all of those who commented on your punctuation ~~ perhaps they should all be reprimanded. I could see as I read your post, the passion and dedication as you wrote… I was so absorbed by your words I didn’t even notice a single punctuation error. I had to go back and see what they were talking about. What a sad bunch of responders to even mention it.

We, daughters of narcissistic mothers know all to well the ridicule and disappointment we received at the hands of a parent that should be compassionate and guiding. We certainly don’t need a forum to make punctuation the focal point. If you guys cant read past it then stop reading and move on.
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I want to thank you for your well spoken from the heart post. I completely understand your situation- My mother is identical- When I was given conservatorship/guardianship due to dementia, she called: the police, FBI, agency on aging, APS, the bank, the neighbors, told them I slept with every cop and judge in town, and forged all the documents. When she refused to let me in to care for her, she screamed don’t let that B in… she’s a C… she’s trying to kill me. People say, oh, this is normal for dementia…

What they don’t understand is this is just my same ol’ mom acting the same way she has acted my entire life ~ just now she can use her age as yet another manipulation tool.

Sadly, and I said this in a different response elsewhere on this forum, if this was a dad we were taking care of who had sexually abused us ~ not a single person would expect us to care for them. Yet, a narcissistic parent is one of the WORST EMOTIONAL ABUSES and here we are.
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Cruzinup Jul 2023
Remember… this is not a ‘writers forum’ if that’s what you are all about… do an internet search on those kind of forums and have at it!!!!
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HUGS, that sounds so terrible.

You don’t need to commit to no contact. Take 8 weeks off from going over there and you don’t even need to take her calls.

You need time away from her so you can catch your breath, take care of yourself and get some perspective.

You are allowed to take. Mini vacation away from her.
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ventingisback Jul 2023
GREAT ADVICE :)
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Your mother is definitely exhibiting narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). With age, a narcissist’s behavior becomes much, much more exacerbated. There is nothing you can do to change her behavior. A narcissist can NEVER show empathy or compassion. When you cry, the unsympathetic narcissist’s switch is switched on and they show no mercy. Dry your tears now and work on a plan of removing yourself from this toxic environment. Your only solution is to move away from your toxic mother before it affects your health. Once you move away from your mother, DO NOT go back not even to visit her. She has made your life a miserable hell, so you need to leave her to wallow in her own narcissistic self-pity.
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Call APS for your mom and report self neglect. Do this as an anonymous caller. You do not reveal your identity. Go no contact and stay no contact. You are being abused. If this woman makes you cry, it is time to go, period. There is no reason for you to put up with this tyrant of a person.

She is beyond mentally ill and probably beyond any psychological help and counseling at this point. She sounds like a malignant narcissist who will make life hell for you. I had a client like this last month and the minute I felt myself starting to cry, I got the heck out of there. I reported the individual and never went back. These people will try to project their pain on anyone regardless if there it is an aide, family member or someone who will just take the abuse. This client tried to say in a way that her ring walked. We were the only two people in the home. I knew this was a set up of some kind, but it bothered me for a weekend. This is how they work on your nerves.
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Why are you providing assistance to your Mother?

Are you legally responsible for your Mother? Legally required to arrange her care needs eg Legal Guardian or endurings POA.

Or do you feel obligated? Your duty?
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