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Mother (93) is very hard of hearing. She can’t sleep at night due to “muslim chanting “ coming from the woman’s room next door (assisted living). She has complained to staff but they are all pretending to not hear it according to her. Obviously this sound does not exist and it’s phantom sound her brain is creating. She is very irritated by the staff that pretends to not hear it , even though they go nextdoor and tell her to turn her radio off. My mom wants to change rooms but they made an excuse as to why that isn’t a good idea. I don’t think it’s a good idea to try to explain the phantom noise to her as she is extremely proud and will get raging mad and tell me it’s real. She has taken to getting up and beating on the cabinets with her cane to make the lady turn it off. When your brain hears real sound it stops the phantom sound temporarily which feeds into it. My biggest concern is that she’s not sleeping. Experiences or ideas friends?

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She probably would benefit from a hearing exam since poor hearing leads directly to dementia. Also talk to her doctor about medication to help her sleep through the night.
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Maybe look at medications and the interaction of some meds to see if they are causing auditory hallucinations. Nurses and doctors at the hospital have told me that infections in older people can cause them to have both auditory and visual hallucinations. I witnessed this first hand with a family member a few times and it scared me to death.
Sometimes an underlying infection or another health issue can be present in older people and go undetected until they start showing signs.
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Tinnitus can be VERY frustrating.
There have been people that have committed suicide because of it.
I have had a "cicada" kinda noise in my ears for about 2 or 3 years now. I sometimes hear music.
I feel sorry for your mom.
A few things that you might want to try.
Has she seen someone for this?
Sometimes flushing the ears of excess wax helps some.
I have hears (no pun intended) that there are hearing aids that can be "programed" to counter the noise that the person is hearing. But if she is hearing this at night most likely she will not be wearing hearing aids.
Have you tried a "White Noise" machine? This has helped me sometimes. The noise from the machine reduces the noise in my head.
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I feel horribly for your mom. Nothing worse than others disbelieving you, no matter how "off the wall" you may sound to others. She needs some reassurance.
There Can be situations whereby someone may be telling the Truth and no one believes them. You may feel better , serving as your mom's best advocate. You could try setting up the recorder at night , and even IF there is no Chanting going on, you could play it back to Mom and allow her to also hear for Herself, that she was mistaken. (And give her a big hug for me.)
After that , if you all are right -she's "Hearing" Imaginary sounds, then I agree with Anxietynancy , it may be time to consider a sedative.
At her age, does she Really need More Specialists & Testing, along with the "slew of physical problems" ? Looking into ways to keep her most comfortable within her own body may be more of what's needed. Some ideas might do the trick , listed here, or try inquiring around for ideas that could help. I wouldn't mind trying some out on myself! Other ideas, even for "normal" people , are including special lights , "weighted" blankets, or even just heating pads or old fashioned hot water bottles., or if no bath-try a good foot soak . Just some ideas among many!
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wow-and neither are the adjoining residents -(sleeping).
That's One idea -if you can ask fellow residents if and how much they may be affected by the notices at night -(coming from your mom's room.) Perhaps , if so, they can help appeal to the Management about arriving at solutions .
I'm so sorry your mom is "hearing things". It can really drive one batty. I'm among those with a case of Tennitus , but have some control to ignore it , and I'm not aware of it until I'm in a quiet place-usually when in bed. At your mom's age , it may help to prescribe some sleeping pills?
"Quiet Hours" must be very hard to Control in a Care Center. There are many other setbacks the elderly may experience at night too, like "Sundowners Syndrome" , sleep walking, restlessness, bathroom issues, etc. to name a few.
Even among those still living at Home and among those even Much younger , sleeping problems can persist and cause exhaustion among family members.
Running the TV at night, turning on lights , and reading , or scanning the internet are what we go through when my husband is in pain. That works out okay for both of us, given my Own space to get some sleep at night. I suppose you can;t expect the staff to work over-time and help her take a nice, warm bath? Or if there's an area she can go walk it off? At best they may administer a sedative.
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ElizabethAR37 Nov 8, 2024
Agree. If I were in that situation, I would certainly ask about medication--for myself, if not for the "offending" resident. I cannot think of a more effective way to wear down one's roommate, distress other residents within earshot, and ensure ongoing conflict than ongoing sleep deprivation. There have been studies done on the results of that. For me that would come close to torture.
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Having an audiologist and/or neurologist give input could be helpful. There is a phenomenon of some folks being able to 'tune in' to subtle sounds, even distant radio waves, etc. One other thing to test whether the sounds are imaginary or neurological: get a recorder that is activated by sounds. We used one when a new puppy was learning to stay home alone; we wanted to know how much whining she made that neighbors could complain about. It helped a lot.
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Sorrynotsorry: An audiologist could offer some insight.
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I can’t blame your mom for being angry. If it’s tinnitus or something similar it can be absolutely maddening. There are special hearing aide type devices that can be ‘tuned’ to frequencies that can cancel out the internal sound to some degree.

You might try a white noise machine or app first depending on how profound your mom’s hearing loss is. I use a sleep sounds app on my tablet. It’s free and you can help her choose sounds that appeal to her; she can even blend sounds until she finds something that masks what she’s hearing in her head. The volume can be adjusted as well. I use a blend of steady light rain and ‘a small river in Scotland’! It may take awhile to find the right sound or mix of sounds but it may do the trick and she can start getting some needed sleep.
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Would your mom perhaps be helped with a white noise machine?

Maybe if she hears that input, she would be both distracted and satisfied with no longer hearing what she perceives is the lady next door?
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My MIL lives with us and she hears singing a lot of times at night. There is none.
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This phenomenon can be Musical Ear Syndrome caused when hearing loss is present. The following is a link to an article discussing MES in depth.

https://www.healthline.com/health/musical-ear-syndrome#takeaway

A good experiment to see if there really is noise coming from next door is to get mom some earplugs. The soft ones are particularly good for blocking sound. If she's STILL hearing this chanting after putting in the earplugs, the noise is originating in her brain, not from the next door neighbor.

If the experiment fails, get mom an appointment with an Audiologist. Hearing aids and/or certain meds may help with MES. I have very bad tinuntis in my ears and it's at its worst (loudest) when it's very quiet in the house. Earplugs make things worse for me because the noise is generating from within.

Best of luck to you.
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She may be hearing "SOMEthing". Does she tell staff when she is hearing this? Some machinery can sound a bit like a compressor that is sort of rhythmic.
However, you are correct in thinking that the likelihood is that there is no chanting or other noise and that this is an auditory hallucination that is exceptionally real to her. This is quite common in advanced dementias.

Your mother may need sedations. And of course given that they almost never now use rails and other devices you will be having to measure the risks of sedation and falls against her inability to sleep.

Wish that I had better ideas for you. White noise? A radio with calming music at the bedside? Discuss with the management there for THEIR ideas? Or maybe someone here with the magic answer. I surely do hope so.
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Sorrynotsorry Nov 2, 2024
She does not have dementia. She has severe hearing loss . She is very bright mentally but can’t hear very well, see very well and has a slew of physical issues. As I stated above , she has told the staff but believes they are lying to her that they don’t hear it.
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Try to get a referral from her PCP for a neurology eval. Neurology may schedule a 3 hour verbal exam to find a possible diagnoses. Get a diagnoses, then they can give an appropriate prescription.
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It sounds like your mom is experiencing a type of hallucinations, like but instead of seeing, she is hearing, I'm not sure the medical term for it

Have they tried any meds for mom, if not I think it's time
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