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And I'm deeply frustrated.
For some context: Mom was moved from SAR to MC/AL on July 4. Within a few days of that move, it was apparent that her level of care exceeded the facilities ability to provide, and we called hospice in. Overall, it has been a good thing, with the exception of two areas. She is still waking in the night and complaining of constant sleepiness, and I am constantly changing her sheets from an overnight wet bed. We have doubled up her diapering, put pads in the tabbed diapers, we have added extra overnight checks, and we have put extra washable pads on her bed. All this has proven to do is to add to my laundry at home. (A whole other issue, as the facility is poo at keeping up with laundry and even worse at getting things back to the residents.)
I've discussed the overnight accidents in light of the wakefulness, but no one can be clear on what she's on for sleep, and how often she's being checked in the night. The 3rd shift staff at her facility is less than reliable, and even the head nurse on staff is having trouble keeping them in line.
NOW, mom has started taking the diapers off!! Claiming that she's slept naked down there for 36 years (she's in 79, so that number doesn't add up, and should have raised red flags for competent staff) and she WILL DO THAT NOW, thank you very much. When I raised the issue with her hospice nurse and staff I was told that they can't tighten the diaper/pull up with tape as that counts as "restraint". She is LITERALLY a two year old in her mind... would you let a two year old make this decision for themselves???
This morning, when I spoke to the hospice nurse I was genuinely told "Not sure then... I've offered all the suggestions I have" after she has not offered anything but putting regular underwear over her diapering. A solution which will do nothing when she is pulling them down.
Is hospice generally this uncreative? Does anyone have suggestions for speaking in a way that will generate more ideas? This is all without even discussing her sleep meds and attempting to help her sleep through the night so that she doesn't wake up to take the damn thing off in the first place, one of my first lines of defense, were she home with me!
I'm exhausted with being the most adult and creative problem solver in the room, and would love thoughts....
Thanks.

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Could you hire a private overnight care giver for a couple of weeks to do checks and change pads or underwear every 3 hours and see if you can get her in a routine? Does the AL have a laundry that the caregiver could use to do a load of laundry overnight so you don’t have to take home to do?
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Generally AL is not set up to do constant changes of briefs at night. And most AL that I know of the staff will come when called they just don't pop in several times a night to see if there needs to be a change.
I think she should be reassessed for Skilled nursing since AL can not seem to SAFELY manage her care.

There are "onesies" for adults that would prevent her from removing her briefs (aka "diaper")

(Oh, the sleeping naked for 36 years...that does not seem out of the realm of possibility.)

While I do disagree that using tape on the brief is a restraint (I have never heard that before) but I would be worried about skin irritation if the tape was rubbing on her skin. And it would make removing them more difficult for the staff.
You can request to talk to the Hospice Nurse's Team Manager. and see what she/he says.
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It sounds like you need a new hospice company.

Have you spoken to the Hospice social worker?
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Birdee24 Aug 19, 2025
I'm not sure what I would say?? To say I'm in over my head and doing my best would be an understatement.
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New thought . You said below that this diaper removal has started a week ago . Have they checked your mother for a UTI ?
Perhaps that’s causing the change in behavior . Perhaps she’s having pain or burning .
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Birdee24 Aug 19, 2025
I hadn't thought to get her checked... I will message nurse now and have her check that tomorrow. She's telling us she slept naked for x no of years, so she's gonna do that now too... sigh.
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I'm not sure how helpful this will be, but I have seen posters here talk about hospice care for their LO's when that LO is in a managed care facility, and have, at times, complained about the care workers working at "cross-purposes" with each other... such as, the NH workers feel that since the client is under hospice care, those aides should be doing such-and-such part of the job, and the hospice personnel feeling the same about the NH workers. Or different agency workers doing the same chore twice, while leaving other chores undone (ie. - sponge bath done twice, once by facility aides and once by hospice, but bedding not changed by either). Could that be in part what's happening with your mom?

Also, who is the hospice doctor who is overseeing mom's care plan? In my mother's case, it was her cardiologist. Is it the doctor at the facility or another doctor? (S)he should be the "go to" person to talk about changes in medication. If it's not the facility doctor, that might explain his extreme reluctance to change any medication.

You also have the option to "fire" this hospice company and find a new one, if there is another one to choose from and this current one isn't meeting your expectations. But hospice, in and of itself, does very little actual hands-on caregiving - at least that was my experience when my mother was on at-home hospice. I can't attest to how much they handle with a client in a managed care facility, however, since I have never personally had experience with that.

As a side note, my mother had the use of a PureWick catheter system when she was hospitalized and couldn't say enough good things about it,
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Birdee24 Aug 19, 2025
thank you. She's under the care of the hospice doc, but I haven't had any contact with them. I have wondered if they are working at cross purposes for sure, but can't get anyone to confirm. I know that the nurse only comes once a week, which makes a LOT of sense for her medical needs. Someone comes once a week to bathe her. Chaplain comes every couple of weeks.

It is the night shift in particular that seems unable to follow through with what I'm asking.
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I would transfer her medical from the mc doctor to the hospice doctor. The three standard meds in hospice are morphine, Ativan and Haldol/seroquel all of which address agitation and sleeplessness. You want her sedated enough that she will accept a onesie or diapers.
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Birdee24 Aug 19, 2025
thanks, she is on all of those. The combination of Trazodone and Melatonin in the night was all that kept her asleep in the hospital in June, but the doc won't add the Melatonin.
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I would move Mom to SNF .
Uncontrolled incontinence is a legitimate reason that qualifies her for SNF .
Mom’s MC is not able to give your Mom what she needs even with hospice .
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Birdee24 Aug 19, 2025
SNF? I don't know this term, can you elaborate?

Skilled Nursing. I got it. The current facility said in July that she no longer qualified for Skilled Care, and that's why she was moved to AL with MC. I'm at the point where people are rolling eyes when I walk in the room... they don't want to talk to me at her facility, because I "care too much".
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If you haven't, you need to talk to the Hospice RN and ask if Mom has been put on a sleeping pill and if not she needs something. There should beca Dr associated with Hospice, he needs to write the order. The facility and Hospice should be working together.

Is Mom bedridden? If not get pullups. They can be torn at the sides for easy getting off. They have elastic around the leg openings. Never heard that putting the tabs tighter is a restraint.

Not sure how doubling up on Chuks works since they have plastic backing. They do come in different sizes. There is the blue but also a peach color larger one that I think is more absorbant. Walmart has tuckable bed protectors. May save the sheets.
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Birdee24 Aug 19, 2025
Yep, and yep. Mom is on trazodone, and they are reluctant to add anything else like melatonin, or increase the traz. I have talked with Hospice RN, and am being shrugged off. No creative solutions, no interested replies.

Mom is pulling both the pull-ups and the tabbed "diapers" off like underwear, so the style isn't the issue.
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It sounds like it's just not the hospice nurse that is incompetent but also the facility staff. Unbelievable!
I would certainly start with purchasing several of the adaptive clothing back-zip anti-strip dementia jumpsuits that you can find on Amazon or Walmart.com, as your mom won't be able to remove anything then.
And of course continue with the heavy duty diapers and extra pads with several chux under her, to absorb the majority of the pee overnight.
And you may have to call the hospice doctor or PA to find out what kind of medication your mom can be put on to try and help her sleep better, if the nurse isn't being helpful.
One thing I know after having my late husband under hospice care in our home for the last 22 months of his life and that is that you have to stay on top of them ALL the time to make sure that your loved one is getting the care that they need and deserve.
Best wishes in getting this issue addressed.
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Birdee24 Aug 18, 2025
thanks. I looked at other responses here, and they said that jumpsuits were a real pain in the end, and most people stopped using them after a short time. I am disappointed, honestly. My caregiving contract for my mom ends in Sept because she's in full time care, but I'm still spending HOURS negotiating her care each week, sometimes each day. I was given the impression that between memory care and hospice, I would be given at least a slight mental break and at most a significant physical break on all this... I guess not.
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The doctor ordered a pure wick. While not cheap and having to cover the costs of wicks, it has worked wonders for night wetness.

I had used one recently while hospitalized. They aren't the most comfortable device but it wasn't so bad. And my LO NEEDS that extra dryness as her skin was breaking down. The pure wick has helped with that.
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Birdee24 Aug 18, 2025
I don't know what this is? We aren't seeing sores yet, but she is complaining of itchiness in her groin. Is this something that hospice should be recommending to me?
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