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A clearer picture is disclosed on my profile; however, I will try to summarize here. Joy (65 years old), my older sister by two years, cares for our mother at my sister's house where she has a husband and the youngest child (23) at home.


I live 3 1/2 hours away, one-way. My sister and I are very close and friends. From the beginning of mama starting the process of moving into my sister's house, my role has been to support sister in ANY WAY she needs including caring for mama, too. Thankfully my husband and I are self-employed, so over the last year I have been able to adjust my work to make day trips as needed allowing me to help overnight and provide day relief for my sister. The commute alone is tiring, but caring for our mother is more tiring for my sister yet  she keeps at it because that is a promise she made to our mother.


Our mother moved into my sister's house 14 years ago. Having a family member from a different generation under the same roof was challenging at times, mama was able to care for herself, including driving for the first 9 years. Then 5 years ago, mother fell inside the house. Although there were no broken bones she had a significant blow to her head. She went to the hospital and then rehab to learn how to stand and walk again. We told her to be able to come home she had to be able to walk and care for her personal hygiene. That happened with mama coming home using a rollator. My sister had replaced mama's bed with a hospital bed while she was in rehab.


Mama was okay for about one year, then without warning one evening she could not stand or walk. She has been bedridden at my sister's house now for 4 years and 8 months. The last 2 years mama has been non-verbal, cannot feed herself or hold a cup to sip. The majority of the time she does not seem to know who we or anyone is. The last 2 months mama's diet has changed to baby food, puree foods and Ensure because she no longer remembers how to chew foods.


Mama literally does NOT move her body on her own. Bathing, changing her and the linens is totally exhausting moving a dead-weight body. With work we can bend her knees. Her hands are crippled with arthritis and shake continually. At times, on her own, she can move her right arm from the elbow very, very slowly but shaking.


The last 4 years 8 months my sister can't get away overnight unless, I go stay with our mother. Because my sister has a family and the location of the room, she is not able to have an overnight caregiver, unless it's me. My sister lives in a rural area and has previously hired caregivers to assist with mama during the day; however, for different reasons that has not worked. Certainly for several hours in the morning and later in the afternoon, mama can be left alone with the TV or movie on.


Caring for our mother has definitely taken a toll on my sister's mental and physical health, particularly her back and neck. Also her 3 children resent their grandmother because of the care that she requires and seeing the physical toll it's taken on their mother. Plus, her being unable to have freedom to do things with them and her own grandchild.


My sister does not want to move mama to a NH/SHF because of the promise she made. She believes mama's detailed care, with change, will be less due to circumstances (i.e. trauma of moving mama at this stage and her not understanding, catheter will be used so there will be UTIs). During the last 5 years, mama has not had any sickness, colds, UTIs or bed sores under my sister's care. She has stated that if she goes to see mama in a facility and she is not receiving the same level of care she was providing, it will make her feel guilty. Also if mama dies soon after being moved, she will feel guilty.


My sister's family and siblings have given Joy permission to (and think it is best) to move mama out of the house. It's like my sister is caring for mama so well it's not allowing her to pass.

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How about having some quality faculty ideas in your back pocket so that the next time Mom is hospitalized the transition could possibly be made? Maybe see if sis will agree to touring some “just in case” so she knows what is available. Medicare.com has a comparison/rating web page.
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Show your sister this thread , maybe she will understand…
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Can you, could you convince your sister to allow Hospice to come in and help care for mom?
With Hospice a Nurse would come every week, more often than that if it is needed.
A CNA or 2 would come 2 or 3 times a week to bathe mom and order supplies.
You/your sister and mom would get all the supplies they need delivered to the house.
She, mom, you would get emotional support that you need as well.
Your sister can request a Volunteer to come sit with mom while she gets out to do errands or just take a few hours of "me" time. They can not do "hands on care" but just having someone there to make sure she is alright is a great relief.
AND big bonus if/when your sister decides to take a break Hospice covers about a week of Respite care that would be done in the In Patient Unit or in a Skilled Nursing facility that they have an agreement with.

I do have to disagree with one thing you have said...
"Certainly for several hours in the morning and later in the afternoon, mama can be left alone with the TV or movie on"
Yes she can be alone in her room, or a room but she can not be left alone in the house. If there were an emergency there is no way she could call for help, try to escape herself or even call out if fired department or police came in.
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If you and other family members have told your sister that you think your mom should be moved to a facility and she won't do it, there isn't much else you can do. Everyone knows what they can live with and not live with and your sister has convinced herself that she can't live with the guilt of moving your mom.

She is right that your mom will not get the same level of care at a facility. I don't like it when people make there children or spouse promise to run themselves into the ground in lieu of placing them. It is a selfish promise to guilt someone into. I will never to it to my daughter. Her life is not less important than mine and that is what you're saying when you make someone promise that.

Shame on your mom for guilting her like this. All you can do is help your sister as much as possible and with the grace of God maybe he will call your mom home soon and put everyone out of their misery. That may sound cruel to some, but your mom does not have a life and quite frankly, neither does your sister.

Take care.
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jemfleming Mar 2023
Mom shaming is really not helpful.
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Sistersupport: Perhaps the promise your sister made cannot nor should not be kept, else her health wanes even further.
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Continue to support your sister and let her come to terms with moving mom, or not. I totally get where she's coming from. I saw the neglectful care at rehab on a couple of occasions and knew I'd never let my loved one go to facility care. Just the fact that your mom has never had any sort of bed wound indicates the high level of care being provided. No one at a facility is going to tend to mom like y'all do. That's just a fact.

You've given sis permission so she understands no one is going to be mad about a move. Now she has to come to terms w/it in her own heart. Hard thing. You might check in to home health help in your area or even hospice care. Might offer sis a little relief on days you aren't there.
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It sounds like your mother should be put on hospice. It certainly would help on getting your sister prepared for your mom passing away. I found it helpful having CNA nurses coming by to help with bathing and checking your moms vitals etc. I found hospice very supportive for myself. My mom died with dignity. She was able to walk with assistance, able to eat her meals on her own, and drank fluids on her own too. My mom died peacefully in her sleep.
I was not looking forward to my mother being bed ridden at all. I thank God for letting my mom to go peacefully in her sleep.
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You can't convince your sister because basically she is right. No one can compete with the love and attention your mom has gotten and continues to get at home; and realistically, putting Mom in a facility will speed up her demise. This is because most facilities are short staffed and can't possibly devote the same amount of time and care your sister gives. Since she's the one giving the care, and insists on continuing to do so - it's out of your hands. Continue to support your sister as best as you can for now - she is truly an angel. Yes, she is sacrificing a lot - and although it's affecting the rest of the family - she's made her choice. Hopefully that's a choice she won't regret. Instead of trying to change her mind, ask her what you and the other siblings can do to ease her load - and do those things. I wish your family a peaceful resolution soon.
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NeedHelpWithMom Mar 2023
It’s true that her sister is giving their mom excellent care. I did this too for my mom.

Regrets? Let’s be real here! Of course, I have regrets. It’s extremely difficult being a wife and raising children while caring for an elderly mother in our household.

My husband and children deserved my attention just as much as my mother did. I deserved to have more time with my family like my mother had with my dad and us.

I can’t honestly say that I made the best decision to care for her for fourteen years in my home. Did I love my mom? Of course, I did.

We can love our mothers just as much while overseeing their care while they are in a facility with a staff who will care for them around the clock.

The bottom line is how long does the caregiving go on. My youngest daughter was in preschool when my mom moved into our home. When caregiving goes on for so long it takes a huge toll on everyone.

If caregiving doesn’t last as long, then perhaps there wouldn’t be any regrets.
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I tried to adhere to my mothers wishes but unfortunately I had to sell the townhouse to continue her care. She wanted to die at home under hospice. She's now in a MC facility under hospice and she's getting good care!
Nobody is going to think any less about her for everything she's done,tell your sister that she can't do everything and anything until she comes first. It's not selfish, it's self preservation! I think she's very dedicated but doesn't see that everyone in the family is suffering including her. I'm sure after all those years she doesn't have a life of her own and feels overwhelmed by the thought of backing out, she's gone this far,so why stop?
I'm hoping she will accept that she can't do everything and do something for herself and her family. Did you let her see your question to the forum? She will get more out of it if you let her read the responses. Seems many family members are going through issues and it's up to you to let them know you are looking for help for them. If you can't get her to listen to you, maybe she will listen to the forum? Share!!
Her intentions are extremely good and she has a good friend in you!
Love!!!
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Your sister sounds like an angel - a lovely person. Your sister should be free from pressure to do something that she doesn't feel she should do.

I also made a promise to my now 96 yo mother and am going to see it through. If I had pressure from someone to place my mother, that would only add to the burden.

What your sister needs is support in her decision.
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Lizhappens Mar 2023
I agree with you. I think perhaps hospice can be brought IN and that would help the sister. But as tough as it is, I understand the promise.
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So, your sister is taking excellent care of your mom but at what cost? You know, as well as everyone else, including your nieces and nephews that your sister is paying a very high price for sacrificing her life for your mother. This is a terribly sad situation for everyone involved.

Your sister is blind to the reality of this situation. She’s lost, confused and unfortunately has to see the facts for herself. Nothing that you or her children say will change how she feels.

Just like an addict cannot hear what others are saying to them, nor can a person who is codependent.

How do I know this? I was there myself. I took care of my mother for far too long. It took lots of therapy, support from this forum and an ‘in person’ support group to wake me up.

I hope that something will click in your sister’s head one day and that she will see that this type of ongoing care is not helpful to anyone. Your mom does need the care of a complete staff at her disposal. It truly is what is best for everyone.

Wishing your family all the best.
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How about placing mom half way between you and your sister so that you BOTH can participate in supervising her care: that means a commitment to be caring visitors and hiring Visiting Angels or Care.com to visit every day for the important hours (i.e., bath time, feeding and )

Sister would benefit from guilt therapy and co-dependency therapy and the two of you should plan a vacation at a health spa or wellness resort.

Medicaid should be applied for so that Mom can be placed (Memory Care or Nursing). Perhaps call the Adult Protective Services can be called in to evaluate and place.
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NeedHelpWithMom Mar 2023
I would not add the stress of adding APS to this mix.
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Have you considered palliative/hospice care? Visiting Angels?
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It might be better to suggest your sister go see her doctor for her own physical. She should detail the amount of work she does with your mother - bending, turning, feeding, cleaning, and lifting. If her doctor says that your sister should not be doing this type of care anymore, she MIGHT be willing to let others care for your mother.

If your sister is deemed physically able, then suggest family counselling with a qualified mental health provider. It seems that your sister is not willing to consider how her current "work" is impacting the rest of the family. A counsellor may be able to help her - and the family - investigate other care options that meet everybody's needs.
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Sounds like your sister is providing excellent care. So, instead of trying to decide what your sister should do why not examine what you are doing. Don't do what you do not want to do. I agree that a 3 + hour drive to help out is very far to provide assistance to your sister.

You wrote,"Because my sister has a family and the location of the room, she is not able to have an overnight caregiver". A caregiver will not occupy any more space than your sister so I am a little confused about what you are saying. Foley catheters are NOT routinely placed in NH/SNF situations because they can lead to a urinary tract infection.

You wrote,"It's like my sister is caring for mama so well it's not allowing her to pass". Yes, substandard care can certainly hasten death, but is that what you really want?
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KaleyBug Mar 2023
I was thinking the same as you
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My mother was in a similar situation. Her younger sister kept their mother for 17 years. However she really enjoyed the benefits of using their mother's ss check each month. Then when their mother became too much to handle she drove their mother over to my mother's house and dumped her in the driveway. She promised she would never put her mother in a nursing home too. See how that can work out? Eventually your sister will burn out with without your help. Just be ready to get your mother the right kind of care when your sister caves. My mother went to a lawyer. Gained gaurdianship of their mother and then got her into the right kind of place for elder care done properly. Sometimes heart over rules common sense. I suspect when your sister reaches the "I can't do this anymore" point she will take action. Don't know what that will be. If you still want to help at that point prepare yourself now to be ready to help them both get your mother where your sister will get relief and your mother will get proper care. Sometimes breaking a promise is better than keeping it. Best of luck.
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The problem is the guilt. She has to decide she can no longer do the caring. What about a chat from her doctor? I had similar with my Mum who was terrified at the thought of moving to a care home and of course we had made those promises My very selfish brother did nothing to help us and my sister and I 68 years then were exhausted My mum passed aged 93. The last weekend everyone came and spent time with her sitting around sharing memories, she was seemingly unconcious but we didnt know for sure. My sister and I could not take the decision to put her into a care home. There is a price for that decision. It has to be your sister's agreement too. Stay close to each other whatever you decide.
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This is so sad . I fear your sister will die before your mother .
And if not, she’s ruining her back and neck , ruining her own quality of life.
Sorry to say but your mom has little to no quality of life. Try telling your sister that you don’t believe your mother would want your sister to be doing this anymore . That your mom would not want to be ruining your sister’s health Tell your sister that when that promise was made mom most likely assumed the heavy caregiving would not have gone on this long .
If your sister is not willing to move mom to a facility at least hire more help to come into the house if your Mom has money to be used.
This is a tough one. I’m sure no one expected this to go on for so long . Sometimes promises have to be broken . In this case for your sister’s health , she should step back from the physical caregiving .
Best of luck .
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she will not receive good care in a facility either so maybe try to figure out a way for an aid to sleep in
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BlueEyedGirl94 Mar 2023
Tonia, with all due respect, because I realize that not everyone sees eye to eye on placing family members in care facilities - not everyone can afford round the clock caregivers. The cost alone is astronomically higher than the cost of a care facility - and if the family is already resentful of the time that Sistersupport's sister is giving to their mother now- can you imagine having a revolving door of strangers coming through the house constantly?

I respect the fact that many people feel that their family members would not get the kind of care that they are able to provide them in a care facility. But I think it is bordering on fearmongering to state that she will not get good care in any facility so they need to rearrange their lives - again - to make sure Mama is taken care of in their home. They have been taking care of her for FOURTEEN years. Her youngest child was NINE when their grandmother came to live with them. The older kids were preteens or teens in all likelihood. This family has given up A LOT to ensure that their grandmother has had this kind of care for so many years.

Not every Skilled Nursing Facility is bad. It sounds like their mother needs constant care. It sounds like Joy is on the verge of falling apart and then what? This woman needs a break. Her family needs a break. And a few hours of a caregiver coming in won't do it. Even 24 hours a day of in home caregiving won't do it...Because Joy won't be able to help herself if her mother is in her house.

If her mother is able to move to a nice place -Joy could visit her as often as she wants - as her DAUGHTER. Her family could begin to heal and get their lives back to some level of normalcy that doesn't revolve 24/7 around Mama's care.

I believe wholeheartedly that our elderly deserve respect and good care. But I don't think they deserve to push everyone else's needs aside for however long they are able to stay on this earth just to stay in their homes or because their child made a promise to them that they should never have made. EVERYONE wants to stay in their home. But that isn't always possible. And it is unfair to expect Joy, her family or Sistersupport to continue to manage all of this without some outside support.

And a family that has cared for their mother at home for 14 years with such love, I don't for a minute think they are just going to dump her off in the first place that will take her and never check back in on her. I think Joy will probably be maybe even super hypervigilant for as long as it takes for her to feel confident that her mother is getting good care.
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Mama needs to be in a nursing home. Promise cannot be kept when care level gets too much. What happens if your sister dies ahead of Mama? Mama will need a facility after all.
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The family dynamics. A promise that should never have been made much less kept. Guilt. Anticipating bad treatment in professional care facilities (catheter? you don't know that!). Sacrificing sister's family for mama. Sacrificing your life pleasures to relieve sister. On and on until we've got enough material for a Lifetime movie or a horror show, take your pick.

What will happen is foreseeable. Mama's 92 and going to die sooner than later. Sister will feel guilty no matter how that happens. She may, by that time, be dead or in chronic pain from physical and mental ailments brought on by caregiving. You will, at the very least, have exhausted yourself. Parts of your family will have moved on from the drama and may not be speaking to each other.

What would happen if you refused to drive the seven-hour round trip anymore?
You could do that.

How would Joy react if you suggested an outing for the two of you to visit a care facility that you've researched so that your sister can see the good care provided? Maybe she needs to know that such places are not full of torture devices and monsters. You could show her that. They might even invite you to free lunch in their dining room.

Please do some research into such places and present the information to your sister.

It's ironic that your sister's name is Joy, a lovely name bestowed upon her by your beloved mother, whose care seems to be sucking every bit of joy from your sister's life.

I'm very sorry that this is happening to all of you, but you (plural) could stop it.
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This is up to your sister. Everyone has had their input and she cannot make a decision that will leave her with guilt. There is nothing anyone can do except your sister. You can’t want something more than the person you are trying to help. If her children wanting more of her isn’t enough, no one can.
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I would imagine you have already often sat with Sister and her family and suggested all you are telling us. And I would guess she has responded with her promise.

Promises we make when times are good often cannot be fulfilled. We aren't gods. We aren't saints (bad job description anyway). We are human beings with human limitations and with a right to our own lives.

As to guilt, it belongs to felons. They are evil doers who operate to cause chaos with malice aforethought. They seldom feel guilty. What your sister is feeling is not guilt for her human limitations, because surely she understands she is not omnipotent as a god. What she is feeling is grief. The other g-word. Grief that her Mom is suffering, grief at seeing it, an inabillity to sustain the despair that things will not get better for Mom. She is having a hard time enduring that knowledge.

Not everything can be fixed. That mom is now in the condition she is cannot be fixed. And that sister is unable to come to acceptance MAY not be able to be fixed. And almost certainly it is not easily addressed by a family member.

I would encourage your sister to seek therapy with a licensed social worker in private practice. She is currently making a choice to give up her own life. Only she can make the decision for herself and her family whether or not to keep doing this. It is her own decision, but a therapist may help her see the options, and understand that she does deserve a life of her own.

I am so sorry. This is just a lot of hurt all the way around. My heart goes out to you. Understand that on some level you are BOTH enduring watching grief and loss up close, with the inability to fix it. The awful truth is that not everything CAN be fixed.
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Wolfpack Mar 2023
Well said!!
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You tell her this true statistic, that 40% of all caregivers caring for someone with dementia will die before the loved one they're caring for from stress related disorders. And then you ask her, don't you think that you and your family deserve better than that? And don't you think that mom would want better than that for you, as she's lived her life? Are you willing to give up your life for moms?
We all know the answers to those questions and hopefully your sister will as well.
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So you and the other two siblings have no problem with your mother being placed in a facility, correct? It's only Joy who won't agree, and Joy was the one who promised your mother that she would never go into a facility?

I hope Joy used your mother's funds for the times when there were caregivers.

Why is Joy such a martyr? Was she always this way? Did your mother groom her to become her eventual caregiver?

Could all the siblings have a family meeting to try and convince Joy to give up the 24/7/365 caregiving? It seems that when she resumes caregiving after her hip replacement, that it might hinder her healing?

I can't blame Joy's children for feeling resentful. Their mother has clearly placed their grandmother's wellbeing above her own. Their mother doesn't see herself as being worthy enough to have any sort of independent life with physical, mental and emotional health.
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