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I'm sorry in advance for the long rant!


I asked a question last month about not becoming bitter. Well, I set my boundaries, told my mother that someone else would be mowing her yard while we were on vacation and asked that she pay my husband a small amount to mow her grass and she BLEW UP. I requested $10 a week just to cover our gas to drive to her house. She tried to shame me and said my husband mows her grass now and she's going to ask him if he wants money. We both work full time and we are worn out. I'm at a loss as to what's going on with her. She's very protective of her money and although I think I hurt her feelings (or embarrassed her), she really thinks we owe her. As I mentioned before, she says "this will all be yours someday." No matter what I do, I get no credit. She always tells me that I'm not like her, tells me that I'm like my father(they divorced when I was 1) and has always been critical of me which makes me resentful. She praises my husband for mowing her yard but collects money from the crops and wants to keep it all. I have worked since I was 14, paid for my own college and have never asked her for anything. I'd love to just walk away but I feel sorry for her even though she treats me terrible. Am I being petty for asking to be paid at least gas money to get there?? She is full on taking advantage of us. Or how should I have approached this? I wasn't rude but I don't think she would've taken it well either way.

I finally started demanding help with groceries. If I'm not smart all my retirement money will be spent.
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Anxietynacy May 15, 2024
That's good, Roger you definitely need to protect your future
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Mother: "Loren, you aren't like me. You are more like your father (who I divorced, is implied)."
Loren: CRICKETS? Nothing? Really?
You are an adult.
Your could say:
Loren: "Really, Mom. Can you explain to me the ways I am like Dad?" (gently. Sweetly. Softly and with great curiousity and a quizzical expression on your pretty face).

How about that for an idea? And then........ dependent on the answer, it could maybe go this way:

IF mom says mean and negative things about Dad........
Loren's reactions could be:
Loren: "Well, Mom, you seem to find both Dad and I not especially likeable.
You divorced Dad. Would you like to divorce me? Because, really, Mom, people don't change. I won't be changing, for certain, because I don't specially WANT to change. But I CAN relieve you of my presence. And would be happy to do that for you. Would you like that?"
(Loren stays very sweet and gentle during this reaction).

Loren,
I don't know what to say to you other than that you were likely raised by a woman with serious limitations as a mother, and she won't be changing; no miracles of love and acceptance will be coming your way from her, no matter how well hubby mows the lawn.

That leaves you with choices.
You are a grownup. You are RESPONSIBLE NOW for making your choices. Stay as you are or change things for yourself.

You can complain and marinate in your mother's bad behaviors toward you, but that won't really change anything. And while some friends will sympathize and think you a martyred Saint, they will soon enough tire of the stories and begin to wonder why you don't walk away from abuse. They will begin to think not "What's the matter with mom" but instead, "what's the matter with Loren?".

Consider getting psychological help. A cognitive therapist won't waste your time talking about your childhood and toilet training issues. A cognitive therapist will shake you up a bit and point you toward different paths from the habitual ones you are on. She will make you weep, wail and work.

It takes TREMENDOUS courage to leave the "known" even when the known is harmful and abusive, so when you start on a new path (if that is your choice) give yourself a huge round of applause and praise and as many medals as you can find. Like I said, it makes you a hero to change yourself. And your SELF is the only one you can change.

I wish you so much luck. You will be so proud of yourself when you endeavor to do this for yourself. And then you won't need the praise of Mom or me or anyone else. The very best out to you.
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Just tell your mom you can't mow her grass anymore and she will have to hire a weekly lawn service to do it. Honestly if she cannot take care of her house and yard she should be looking at moving. If you keep propping up her household you and hubby will be even more burnt out than you already are.

And just because she says all this will be tours someday (whatever that carrot is she is dangling over your head) means nothing because mom may need to go into a facility one day and all that may have to be sold if she ever needs to go on medicaid.
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Just tell her you both work FULL TIME and can't do it anymore....even for money.

You can always ask her, "How many people have you worked FOR for FREE?"
I would remind her you paid your own way in life, like you were raised to do.

Above all, did she do the yard work for her elderly parents for free? If she makes money off crops, she knows life is not a free ride. If someone is that selfish and ungrateful, don't do ANYTHING for them....Mother or not.
She's clearly a control freak. With money, because she refuses to pay people to work for her. Stop falling for it. KEEP THOSE BOUNDARIES.
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I don’t think you are being ‘petty’, but I do think that the overall situation should be the point, not the gas money. Do you have siblings, or are you an only child (quite possible as M divorced when you were 1)? If so, you are all she has, and she probably thinks that she is all YOU have. After all, that's the way it was when you were little. Then she had a social and legal obligation to care for you, which applies parent-to-young-child but not adult-child-to-parent.

It sounds as though M has a farm, as she “collects money from the crops and wants to keep it all”. Is she in total charge of her finances? Is there an inheritance issue that you want to keep sweet? That might limit your options. Do you understand how ‘financial inheritance’ tends to disappear because of the cost of care towards end of life? And what’s wrong with being ‘like your father’? Whatever his faults, she chose him, not you.

The most straightforward approach would be to have an ‘on the table meeting’ between you, DH and M, where you talk about her finances, care for the future, the normal preparations like a POA and a will, and in total ‘who calls the shots’. She will of course “BLOW UP” again. Then you walk out. Do NOTHING for her. If she calls, don’t just ‘chat’, leave her on her own. Leave it a week or more, then call and ask if she is ready to continue the discussion. Repeat repeat.

If she is able to manage without you, then she is legally fine with living independently and making her own decisions. But you are also legally fine in taking the position that you don’t help until she is willing to discuss the big picture. Good luck in getting out of this on reasonable terms!
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lorinanderson May 16, 2024
I am an only child and my husband is really the only one that will help. We have two kids (one that my mom adores and the other not so much) but they are not interested in helping. I told her that I would never expect my kids to mow my yard and tell them that it will all be theirs someday.
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Mom isn’t changing, except perhaps to worsen. You already know exactly what to expect from her. And no, you’ve done nothing wrong. Print out some prices of commercial landscape companies cost of mowing a lot the size of hers. Ask if she’d prefer to hire one of them or continue paying your husband a smaller rate. Or if your husband doesn’t want to do it anymore, as is his right, just give her the prices and say he’s bowing out. No explanation or justification needed. When she starts the criticism leave her home or get off the phone immediately, each and every time, even if you just arrived. We truly do teach people how to treat us, most often unknowingly. Don’t let manipulation of “this being yours” faze you a bit. I wish you peace
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All elders should pay for all their own services, supplies, rent, mortgages, food, doctor bills, etc. If they cannot afford to do so, their home should be sold to downsize into a smaller place where they can budget accordingly.

You're already "just like your father" whom mother divorced, not good enough, so why on earth are you feeling sorry for her and jumping thru fiery hoops to please a person who won't BE pleased? Let go of the notion that suddenly mother will become the mom you've always wanted. She won't and you'll keep getting kicked in the butt until you decide ENOUGH.

Enjoy your weekends with DH and tell mother to call a lawn service.
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Let someone else do the Lawn . $10 is Nothing . Someone to Mow her grass will be around $35 . She Is abusing you too - You May want to call her Out and say " if you continue to be nasty I will Not help you . " I find sometimes you have to call them Out and then they change their tune .
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AlvaDeer May 15, 2024
Yeah, K. I think this isn't about a lawn needing mowing. This is about a whole lot more being swept under the grass!
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This entire situation sounds exhausting and stressful for you and your husband. I’m really sorry that your mom isn’t appreciative of your help.

I helped my parents as much as I could. They didn’t demand that I drop everything to help. They always asked politely and then followed with saying, “at your convenience.”

Dad had a stroke and couldn’t drive. Mom had seizures and then Parkinson’s disease and couldn’t drive.

When I arrived at their home, they had the grocery list ready for me. Mom drove with me at first and did her own shopping. Later on, she gave me the list and she always filled up my tank for me. She said thank you after each favor that I did for her.

She paid my brothers whenever they mowed her lawn or she hired the neighbor’s son to do it.

She cooked a nice lunch or dinner for us too.

As needs increased, it became harder for me, especially after my dad died and mom eventually moved in with me.

Your mother’s needs will increase as time goes by.

Your mother doesn’t show any appreciation. She expects so much from you, yet she doesn’t show gratitude to you or your husband. It’s common courtesy to say, ‘please, thank you, I appreciate all that you’ve done, etc.’

If she has been like this for years. I highly doubt that she is interested in changing now.

I like your idea of ‘walking away’ from her. Allow her to see what life is like without your service.

She is holding so much over your head. Do you want her place? Is it sentimental to you?

Plus, what’s up with comparing you to your dad? That’s a rude comment.

You can give her some time to process what you said if you like, but don’t hold your breath.

You are a giver. She is a taker. If she can’t meet you in the middle, don’t do any more to help her.

Wishing you peace as you sort this out.
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lorinanderson May 15, 2024
Thank you so much for your thoughtful reply. The comparison between me and my dad is an odd one since I never knew him. I suppose personalities are inherited but I think he ran because she's so crazy. he passed several years ago. She likes to brag that she's always done for her parents and in-laws but she was paid for everything.
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Sometimes money & family just cannot mix well.

Make the split.

DH stops mowing. He gets more free time. Win.
No more awkward conversations about money. Win.
No more listenting to you'll own all this one day... that comes with inbuilt expections to earn it with busy work now. Win.

Your Mom hires her own lawn maintenance person. She can view this as a loss.. or.. a win for her independance.
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Rbuser1 May 15, 2024
That's what my Mom does and now that she is back home she tries to involve me with that arrangement with a neighbor. I said that is up to you and them. Otherwise, she wants me to do everything else for free. Nahhh ain't happening.
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My Mom never relied on her children. She paid someone to mow her lawn. Called in handyman when needed. I was only called in when she could not do it herself. When I took over Moms money, I used hers for her expenses. If she had fallen short, yes I would have paid. I am sure if she had started falling short, the first thing I would have done was see where cuts could be made. One, her house was too big so that would have been sold. That would have saved her taxes and upkeep. She would have gone to an apt and used the proceeds to offset the cost.

There are always options.
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lorinanderson May 16, 2024
It's really not a money issue - she has several hundred thousand and a good income. She's feels entitled. I'd like for her to move to a senior citizen apartment or assisted living but she won't consider it. I'm not in great shape but still working and my husband has more than he can do since his dad needs help too. She told me last night that I make everything about me. There are no words.
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Lori,

I posted earlier on the thread but I would like to add a few thoughts.

You already know that your mom will run things into the ground. Give her an inch and she will take a mile.

Be firm in your stance when dealing with her. No leeway and no exceptions to your rules. Don’t accept any of her excuses, shaming or emotional blackmailing.

You know that she will try everything that she can in order to get her way.

Don’t fall for any of her tactics. If you cave, you become her prey, that she will try to devour.

Another thing is remember, is to look at how much you have invested in your relationship with your mom. Quite a bit, from what I can tell.

Let your mom start investing now. We are all responsible for our own lives. She needs to learn this lesson.
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lorinanderson May 16, 2024
It's a dysfunctional relationship for sure. I'm in counseling for the guilt part of it and have been for the last four years. You'd think I'd learn
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Your mother has plenty of money to hire help. Let her do that and stop mowing her lawn for free. It's not rocket science to stop being taken advantage of by a penny pinching, selfish elder. You and hubby need to take care of yourselves.
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For some reason our parents find a sense of pride in seeing us do things for them. Basically bragging rights. Asking for money was the wrong way to go...just flat out telling her your husband can't do this anymore was the right approach. He just isn't physically able anymore. Let her figure it out.

Don't feel so guilty backing away. Do it little by little. She needs to learn you are not the solution to all her problems. Decide what you are willing to do and do only that.

I used to drive my father to a lot of places. He was not concerned about me missing work to do that. Then I was out of work and he thought that would allow me to be his chauffer even more. I had to explain to him that I did not have the money to fill my gas tank to drive him around. I never asked him for gas money, just told him I could not afford to put more gas in my car. Boy was he offended that I expected payment for running him on his errands. Funny how my time and expenses doing things for him were unimportant. Now if one of my teenagers came down and took him someplace, they got $10 for gas no problem. Just me.
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lorinanderson May 16, 2024
You're right about asking for money. The subject came up of someone else mowing it at least while we were on vacation and she said absolutely not to the person I suggested. I have been wanting to tell her for a long time that it shouldn't cost my husband and I money to mow her lawns. My husband runs around getting parts for her lawnmower, Running to the gas station for her gas and he worked hundreds of hours saving her $15,000 on a bathroom remodel and got $1000. I only suggested that she give him $10 just so that it didn't come out of our pockets and the work would still be free. Although, we are tired. I am about to retire and would like to enjoy my grandchildren but if she has her way, she will take all my spare time. It's a tough road to navigate for sure
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Don’t mow it. Don’t argue. Go up on the price to $200. She will find someone to do it for less and feel righteous. You will both win.

By the time it “all” belongs to you, you will hate the place. It won’t hold good memories for you. It will only represent a reminder of a wasted life being a slave to someone who is herself damaged.
Hopefully she will have enough saved to pay for her old age care but it is time to realize that while her care is assured, yours and your husbands will not be unless you shift your focus. Accept that and walk away with your very life.

Find out what your dreams are and what your husbands dreams are. If it is to mow someone else’s grass you can find plenty of people to appreciate your efforts closer to home.
I am so sorry you are stuck.

Here is a good book recommendation.
“What Happened to You?: Conversations on Trauma, Resilience, and Healing”

Notice it doesn’t ask What’s wrong with you? Find out what happened to you and maybe you can heal the trauma enough to start living your life and not just reacting to what she’s got going on in hers.

Thank you for letting us know how it is going. We are cheering you on.
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Southernwaver May 16, 2024
This is 100% the truth. I want nothing to do with my FOO house because it holds nothing but bad memories for me.
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Why are you arguing with her about money? Let it all go to pot and then she will have to pay when the city or county when they charge her for lack of upkeep.

Let. Her. fail
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Update: Now she's playing her game where she won't answer her phone. I'm so sick of this situation!
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LoopyLoo May 17, 2024
She’s being petty and childish. Stop calling her. She gets satisfaction of not responding to you. Stop calling and see if she calls YOU.
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Well...for me, sitting in my home this is a simple thing to resolve.
You STOP mowing her lawn.
You STOP going to help her with ALL the things that you have been helping her with.
When you get back from vacation don't pick up where you left off.
This is all part and parcel of the boundaries that you set.
( by the way setting boundaries is not jut boundaries for her but for YOU. )
If the city, village, county whatever governing agency comes along and says she has to mow or she will get a ticket do NOT break down and mow. She can call someone and pay them to get it done.

All the better that she is not answering the phone....you should not be calling.
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lorinanderson May 18, 2024
I guess I'm insecure. The bigger picture is that my entire family had a falling out about three years ago and my mother was one of the key players. They fought over inheritance and now they don't speak. I've lost most of my extended family including cousins and I feel really alone. My husband and I had an argument this morning and it feels like I am completely alone now. I have my two adult kids but one of them tends to side with my mother, I think because he and his wife think they'll get some inheritance. I am at my wits end
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Lori, your DH has been part of this whole scenario from what you’ve mentioned before. I can imagine the changes you are trying to make may have him uneasy about how this will all play out. It seems mom has co-opted your entire family. This can’t be easy to navigate.
Keep your eye on the goal. Know that you are working hard to make positive changes and not every day will feel like you are breaking free. Big breaths. I hope you and DH can work together.
Of course, mom is not going to cooperate. She is very used to having her way and her extended family … your family … is accustomed to supporting her. Each person will have to work through and own their feelings. A lot to process for all of you and I hope our support helps you realize your goals.
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I would tell her to ask him and tell him to tell her he doesn't want to mow her lawn and he is giving her his immediate resignation.

It is evil, in my opinion, to use inheritance for puppet strings.

Tell her you're done and she can leave everything to the salvation army if she wants. Cut those strings!
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