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He has a choice. You hire in home caregivers because you CANNOT do this alone anymore, or he can move into Memory Care Assisted Living or Skilled Nursing care where a team of caregivers will be there for him 24/7. Even with Alzheimer's/dementia, most elders can understand this choice and what it means for you to be worn out. You matter too.
Inform him that he no longer rules the roost. Bring home brochures from some of the places he could go for care. Leave them lying around for a week or so. Ask for a meeting and sit down with him to tell him those are his choices, which is his favorite?
If he has a bad attitude, you are much better getting him into care somewhere besides home. His attitude won't likely improve upon the hiring of home help. Also, you'll need more than one home aide. It's more expensive than a care facility where he is socialized and has fun things to do. Care outside the home would be better for both of you. You can be there with him as much as you like yet have your own home to return to and find peace.
Aides helping in the home have a huge downside. Research and learn.
You tell him you are hiring help for YOU. And then you can attend to him while they do everything else peripheral to the care. This is no longer about what hubby wants, but about what is necessary. You are going to have to take charge and be honest with him. Let him know that when you are unable to attend to his needs at home sufficiently it will be necessary he go into care with you visiting, and that you are getting close to this. While it may sound like a threat, it is in fact THE TRUTH. Good luck.
Let’s face it, it’s hard to be the primary caregiver.
When I was the primary caregiver for my mom, I didn’t give her a choice of whether she wanted additional help or not.
I made it clear to my mother that I needed additional help. I told her that they were quite capable of helping her.
I was fortunate because my mother didn’t object to having outside help. In fact, she enjoyed seeing them and she was glad that I got a break.
I stayed at home when the caregiver came to help mom for the first time or two. After that I left the house. I went to lunch with friends, ran errands that needed to be done, went to doctor appointments, did things with my husband and children, etc.
Having additional help will make it easier for both of you. No one benefits from a burned out caregiver. You deserve a break!
It becomes impossible to do hands on caregiving 24/7. Caregivers in facilities work their shift, go home and rest and then they go back to work refreshed.
He either agrees to home care or he goes into a home. That’s it. Those are the only two options.
When my dad first went on hospice he agreed to overnight aides, and then threw a tantrum the first night. My mom was up for three days. We were all spending alternate nights and by day 9 my ys was setting things up to transfer him to a different hospice that also had a home. He died two days later at home like he wanted.
He doesn’t need any help? He only wants you? He doesn't want to waste money? Or just a No. Don't want.
My parent says all that. The other would explain patiently with all sorts of reason; Well the help is for ME. This person will be fine. It's worth the cost. But still get stressed & blocked by the inflexible No.
Two problems existed. 1 Reason could not win over UNreasonble 2. Waiting for permission was futile
New tactics were needed. My suggestions were; Stay silent - but book the care/service anyway. Be stealthy - my FRIEND has come to help, or the service is FREE, we'd be silly not to. Blunt force: We need it. It's happening. I said so. Like it or lump it!
I was an in-home caregiver for 25 years and have had more clients than I can remember who refused to "allow" outside help.
Here's how you handle this. When a person becomes needy be it dementia related or not, they are not the one calling the shots anymore.
So the choice is pretty simple. Either get compliant with homecare coming in or you're going into a nursing home. No ranting and raving. No barking orders. No tantrums.
Caregiving only works when it's done on the caregiver's terms. Not the care recipient's. You can still be in charge of his care and even do some if you like, but you are the one in charge here now. Not him.
When I would take on a new case for someone who was stubborn and refused care here's what I'd tell every family. You hire the caregiver. Then you stick around for the first and maybe second visit. After that when the caregivers show up you leave for the duration of their shift.
Makes perfect sense to me! I stayed the first couple of times a new caregiver came to our house for my mom.
After that I left her alone with them because I could see that mom was in capable hands.
Fortunately, mom didn’t complain about having a caregiver. She enjoyed seeing a new face. She was glad that I had a break.
I would think most people will get used to having a caregiver. Even when they don’t, what can they do? My husband’s grandfather fired his private caregivers on a daily basis!
My FIL told them to ignore his ranting. He paid the caregivers a lot of money because he felt like they deserved it for putting up with his dad’s behavior.
My husband’s grandfather eventually stopped firing them and even appreciated their care. I don’t know how common it is to fire someone on a daily basis.
Hire help for YOU. The person can "help" you with laundry, cleaning and other "hands off" things. Then one day say.."OH my, I ran out of milk! Betty can you keep Harold company while I run to the store?" Stay out for an hour or so. In another day or so do the same thing "I forgot I have a hair appointment, Betty can you stay with Harold while I get my hair done?" After a few times of "Betty" helping "Harold" he will be less resistant to the help.
My mom was living with me and hubby for 7 years. As her dementia increased, I started hiring helpers. Mom did not want it but I needed it!
When she could no longer keep her room/bathroom clean, I hired a cleaning lady (with her money) for ME because I drew a line in the sand where I was not adding ANY more work to my plate.
Next I added a caregiver for a few hours a couple times a week to get us started on the path. I added more and more as time went on. Mom complained at times, especially if my hubby and I were going out on a date and she'd tell me she didn't need a babysitter. Hmmmmm - yes you do but of course I never said that. I said that I was more comfortable with someone here so I could go out and have fun and not have to worry if she was OK and hurry home, etc.
When this became too much, I put her in AL. Using the homecaregivers was very helpful and kept mom out of a facility for an extra year or so.
Your husband does NOT need to agree. You're in charge. You need help. So do it.
MY Dh has been 100% unsuccessful in getting his mother to hire anyone to do anything.
She wants him to haul up to her house and shovel her snow. We moved to an HOA condo so WE DON'T HAVE TO SHOVEL OUR OWN SNOW. OR SHUT OFF OUR SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
DH may as well have not moved, he's doing more for her than he did/does for me.
A person will demand and expect more and more and more care. It never stops.
Dh could hire a lot of stuff out. But they never will.
You have to be a level of tough AND compassionate at the same time, and many people just can't do that.
Which is so sad because everyone has their own needs to attend to. Your MIL thinks she is the queen bee. All of her children are allowing her to wear her crown.
Mid, I hope you, your husband and his siblings don’t collapse from the stress one day.
The stress reaches a point where it becomes intolerable.
The truly sad thing in your MIL’s case is that she is on hospice and it still isn’t enough.
I wish this situation was over for your family. It’s heartbreaking. She needs to be in a facility where she can be cared for 24/7. It’s sad that she’s still in control.
Try introducing the hired people as your friend. Have that friend pick up here and there as you are still there. Do this a few times allowing the friend to clean, do dishes etc. Then one day leave as the friend is doing the chores. It may or may not work but you can try.
Tell hubs that YOU need some help to help him. Fake a back ache if you have to, but let him know YOU need help. Start with a couple hours and then add to it.
Request a brawny male caregiver who doesn't take "no" for an answer. Visiting Angels or other agency.........perhaps find a guy who was previously a Drill Sergeant.
It’s very selfish of a spouse or a parent to expect that their LO will be their caregiver when they become old and feeble. Some spouses and parents do not plan ahead for when they become old and feeble and this is the end result.
Be firm and tell your husband that he needs to hire help because his care is too stressful on you and it’s affecting your health.
Helenw6: Perhaps you can tell him that you require help, lest you overextend yourself. Ergo, there will be no way that you can keep him in the home if you DON'T get help.
I'm guessing the husband is concerned with finances and also may be in denial that he needs help. A third party person may be necessary to help you get down to the answers that both of you need to agree to. Noone wants their spouse to tell them they need someone to take care of them. That's the hardest thing to hear for the person declining physically and mentally. If the wife needs the help to take care of her husband she needs to be specific in what area that is in. Then move on to bigger issues. As he sees his wife being less stressed he will know it is the right thing to do. I just did this myself and it took a long time for my husband to finally agree he needed some extra help, and not just depend on me. He saw my health decline, and emotions get too high because he wouldn't face the issues.
I told my husband I needed help and had found someone we could trust because she cleaned one of our Doctor's houses. It was the truth. After he adjusted to her, the rest came in one at a time.
The help is for you. Let spouse know that you need the help. When my mother had a home health aide, I was glad for the help. You need a break at times too.
Something I learned from a caregiver workshop is that instead of saying "I can't do this anymore", change it to "I can't do this ALONE anymore." Maybe your husband would understand your desire for help more if it's phrased this way. Assure him that you will still be involved, that you're the one who needs the help.
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If he has a bad attitude, you are much better getting him into care somewhere besides home. His attitude won't likely improve upon the hiring of home help. Also, you'll need more than one home aide. It's more expensive than a care facility where he is socialized and has fun things to do. Care outside the home would be better for both of you. You can be there with him as much as you like yet have your own home to return to and find peace.
Aides helping in the home have a huge downside. Research and learn.
This is no longer about what hubby wants, but about what is necessary. You are going to have to take charge and be honest with him.
Let him know that when you are unable to attend to his needs at home sufficiently it will be necessary he go into care with you visiting, and that you are getting close to this. While it may sound like a threat, it is in fact THE TRUTH.
Good luck.
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When I was the primary caregiver for my mom, I didn’t give her a choice of whether she wanted additional help or not.
I made it clear to my mother that I needed additional help. I told her that they were quite capable of helping her.
I was fortunate because my mother didn’t object to having outside help. In fact, she enjoyed seeing them and she was glad that I got a break.
I stayed at home when the caregiver came to help mom for the first time or two. After that I left the house. I went to lunch with friends, ran errands that needed to be done, went to doctor appointments, did things with my husband and children, etc.
Having additional help will make it easier for both of you. No one benefits from a burned out caregiver. You deserve a break!
It becomes impossible to do hands on caregiving 24/7. Caregivers in facilities work their shift, go home and rest and then they go back to work refreshed.
Best wishes to you and your husband.
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When my dad first went on hospice he agreed to overnight aides, and then threw a tantrum the first night. My mom was up for three days. We were all spending alternate nights and by day 9 my ys was setting things up to transfer him to a different hospice that also had a home. He died two days later at home like he wanted.
He doesn’t need any help?
He only wants you?
He doesn't want to waste money?
Or just a No. Don't want.
My parent says all that. The other would explain patiently with all sorts of reason;
Well the help is for ME.
This person will be fine.
It's worth the cost.
But still get stressed & blocked by the inflexible No.
Two problems existed.
1 Reason could not win over UNreasonble
2. Waiting for permission was futile
New tactics were needed.
My suggestions were;
Stay silent - but book the care/service anyway.
Be stealthy - my FRIEND has come to help, or the service is FREE, we'd be silly not to.
Blunt force: We need it. It's happening. I said so. Like it or lump it!
Well said. Like it or lump it has pretty much been my advice to clients and their families (including my own) for 25 years of service.
Here's how you handle this. When a person becomes needy be it dementia related or not, they are not the one calling the shots anymore.
So the choice is pretty simple. Either get compliant with homecare coming in or you're going into a nursing home. No ranting and raving. No barking orders. No tantrums.
Caregiving only works when it's done on the caregiver's terms. Not the care recipient's. You can still be in charge of his care and even do some if you like, but you are the one in charge here now. Not him.
When I would take on a new case for someone who was stubborn and refused care here's what I'd tell every family.
You hire the caregiver. Then you stick around for the first and maybe second visit. After that when the caregivers show up you leave for the duration of their shift.
After that I left her alone with them because I could see that mom was in capable hands.
Fortunately, mom didn’t complain about having a caregiver. She enjoyed seeing a new face. She was glad that I had a break.
I would think most people will get used to having a caregiver. Even when they don’t, what can they do? My husband’s grandfather fired his private caregivers on a daily basis!
My FIL told them to ignore his ranting. He paid the caregivers a lot of money because he felt like they deserved it for putting up with his dad’s behavior.
My husband’s grandfather eventually stopped firing them and even appreciated their care. I don’t know how common it is to fire someone on a daily basis.
The person can "help" you with laundry, cleaning and other "hands off" things.
Then one day say.."OH my, I ran out of milk! Betty can you keep Harold company while I run to the store?"
Stay out for an hour or so.
In another day or so do the same thing "I forgot I have a hair appointment, Betty can you stay with Harold while I get my hair done?"
After a few times of "Betty" helping "Harold" he will be less resistant to the help.
When she could no longer keep her room/bathroom clean, I hired a cleaning lady (with her money) for ME because I drew a line in the sand where I was not adding ANY more work to my plate.
Next I added a caregiver for a few hours a couple times a week to get us started on the path. I added more and more as time went on. Mom complained at times, especially if my hubby and I were going out on a date and she'd tell me she didn't need a babysitter. Hmmmmm - yes you do but of course I never said that. I said that I was more comfortable with someone here so I could go out and have fun and not have to worry if she was OK and hurry home, etc.
When this became too much, I put her in AL. Using the homecaregivers was very helpful and kept mom out of a facility for an extra year or so.
Your husband does NOT need to agree. You're in charge. You need help. So do it.
Best of luck navigating this!
MY Dh has been 100% unsuccessful in getting his mother to hire anyone to do anything.
She wants him to haul up to her house and shovel her snow. We moved to an HOA condo so WE DON'T HAVE TO SHOVEL OUR OWN SNOW. OR SHUT OFF OUR SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
DH may as well have not moved, he's doing more for her than he did/does for me.
A person will demand and expect more and more and more care. It never stops.
Dh could hire a lot of stuff out. But they never will.
You have to be a level of tough AND compassionate at the same time, and many people just can't do that.
Mid, I hope you, your husband and his siblings don’t collapse from the stress one day.
The stress reaches a point where it becomes intolerable.
The truly sad thing in your MIL’s case is that she is on hospice and it still isn’t enough.
I wish this situation was over for your family. It’s heartbreaking. She needs to be in a facility where she can be cared for 24/7. It’s sad that she’s still in control.
Be firm and tell your husband that he needs to hire help because his care is too stressful on you and it’s affecting your health.