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I am currently caretaking for my mother that has cancer and Alzheimer’s. It's left unsaid but the truth is that I'm also caring for my father who has ptsd, depression and rage issues. My whole life has been a journey. I felt like I've been just surviving up until this point still. I'm still trying to find a way where I can someday have a life of my own but now not able to have a job, caring for my mother my only hope is to save and move out nearby so I can come back to care for her and just be away from him.


Today particularly is a struggle. I was working with betterhelp therapists but unfortunately, they were unresponsive for whatever reason summer vacation, their own person things etc. so today I've just been journaling and trying to hold it all together, but I just want to cry because my father continue to never take accountability. I didn't ask him to, but he is decided to just be very stubborn hardheaded and irresponsible with his actions and neglect.


I've been taking both of my parent’s responsibilities with siblings who think they are "totally more capable than you think" and who says "I deal with dad too" when she lives in Hawaii on the beach working from home, luxurious life while I’ve had to live in our home almost up until 30 because of the trauma.


I'm trucking forward. My mom had her neuro testing yesterday and the neuro psych has an idea that my dad may have been abusive. I feel like we're taking steps in a better direction for her care and my dad being humbled. I don’t know. I'm just so tired. Today is very hard.


I just wanted to know how anyone has handled it, any advice is wished. I know I just really need a hug though.

Crystal, this is a lot, and a lot to answer in one post, so I'm going to give you the advice on the emotional aspect of your question.

First of all, you can absolutely change your life, but with the situation you are in its going to take some time, nothing is over night.

You sound like you are getting seriously burnt out. I tell you that term is used to much, thrown around all over the place, but true burnout like you have, is no fun, I've been there , done that.

First your not alone, that alone helped me when. I was at my worst 6 months ago.

Secondly, children of a dysfunctional family should not be there parents caregiver. To much resentments and anger, and causes burnout to happen sooner and harder.

Thirdly, burnout changes your brain chemistry, actually causes PTSD.

So now what do you do?

Get rid of any guilt you may be feeling, you didn't mention that but I suspect you have some, and that's why you are caretaking, you where probably expected to do this and groomed from a young age.

This is a start anyways, of healing, I'll check back
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The only way to reclaim your life is to move out .
Is there a chance of getting them in a facility ?
If they are too stubborn about it I suggest not accepting POA or give up POA when you move out and call APS .

You could also call your County Area Agency of Aging NOW and see what help
may be available .

Your father being a veteran , reach out to the VA to see what help he can get .

I’m assuming that Dad would not be willing to go to adult daycare .

Your mother may be able to be placed in a facility .

Your Dad may have to be left alone for a while and let him fail on his own until he allows outside help to come in the house ..
Hired help could be brought into the home to give you a break . This help is to be paid for with your parents money .

Selling the house to pay for assisted living may work , however you don’t say how much physical care your parents need .
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The Only suggestions I Can Make are short term - Find a community acupuncture clinic for support , stress and meditation . Self Care Like finding time for yourself and to Journal Over Lunch at a cafe . Make an Ultimatum with your siblings to help Out - Often times the primary caregiver is used by their siblings yet they expect money when the Parent Passes . Remember it will get Better things will change and you will get your freedom back . Consider getting a Massage I find that very helpful .
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"https://www.agingcare.com/questions/feeling-stuck-in-a-caregiving-situation-487568.htm"

You asked a similar question in May. You mentioned then you cannot leave Mom alone with Dad and now "the neuro psych has an idea that my dad may have been abusive". It was suggested in May you call APS. Now you have a doctor telling you they think Dad is abusing Mom. As a Mandated reporter this doctor can report to APS his findings and I would ask him to do it. You need to get Dad out of that house or Mom.

Is Mom terminal? If so, she will be leaving you. When she does, walk away from Dad. Let him fend for himself. If you feel he is a vulnerable adult call APS to help him. But u and boyfriend take your savings and move out. Go to another State and let the State take carevof Dad.
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Anxietynacy Aug 16, 2024
@ Joann thanks, I thought something sounded familiar
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Crystal, quick question: are you planning to take care of your dad at some point? I certainly hope not, but you seem very invested in trying to change him, trying to get him to see the error of his ways, etc. But you can’t change him. He is who he is.
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One key often repeated is having some space/ distance / time away from the narcissitic parent . Even so it can be so hard to enforce boundaries . But if one is caring for them 24/7, that will be next to impossible to do .
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Crystal, a couple of comments on the way you are feeling. If you find that there is no alternative to ‘putting your M in a place where she is completely lost’, remember that she will get more used to it over a week or two. She won’t be ‘lost’ forever.

And ‘that would break my heart’ – there are many heart-breaking aspects to aged care, including death. Don’t tell yourself that you can’t do it, because you may have no alternative. You will be taking the best of a set of very difficult options. Don't punish yourself for it.
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Crystal, what you say about feeling horrible about putting your mom in a facility is exactly what I was talking about in my first post to you.

Please reread it.

I get the guilt, I get the feeling bad, but honestly, hon, " your life matters"

Your mental health matters, your mental health effect every thing about your physical health.

None of us are supper heros. None of us can clone are selves so we can be in 2 places at ones. Trust me I wish I could.

We have to think of are health during this caregiving

You may not like everything we say, but trust me we have been where you are. And what we say is with your health in mind
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Sometimes, in these scenarios the only way the caregiver can continue is if you can manage to "flip the script". Totally change things aroud. Get parents to realize they NEED YOU, and not the other way around, and you are willing to take a hard stance and walk away if they do not do things on YOUR TERMS. Its not easy to do this. I'm in the process of trying to do it myself. But if you can manage that with strong boundaries, that could be the only successful way to survive this in the long term. Sorry you are going through this
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Crystal,
I don’t have any advice with the situation with your mom, but I highly recommend you call your local VA & get your Dad a case manager to help assist you with getting someone to come in and help you take care of him. If you have someone else taking care of your dad you will be able to focus on your mom as well as you will not be subjected to his behavior.
The VA has a program that will give him 30 days of respite care, free. That will allow you to take a break.
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Good advice from all - the only thing I would add, as many have said time and again elsewhere on this forum - do not feel guilty over something you did not cause and cannot fix. You are doing the best you can, and folks here have given you some options to consider. Best of luck to you in this situation; lots of people on the forum can relate.
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Take time to consider your needs: need for sleep, need for nutritious meals at a reasonable pace, need to be paid a reasonable salary for your efforts, need to have time for your own hygiene/health needs, and time to pursue relationships and activities outside of caring for your parents. Consider how much time is required for any person for each area. Ask for help from others - or have parents pay for somebody - so you have time for yourself "off the clock".

Take time to consider each parent's needs - not desires, not demands. Who is mentally competent to make decisions for himself or herself - and experience the consequences of his or her decisions? What types of "help" does each parent require and what resources can meet those needs (family, friends, members of faith group, paid help, government help...)? Make a plan and mobilize assistance.

What types of abusive behavior are you and your mom experiencing - verbal, emotional, physical? What is the plan to address abusive behavior - move away or limit it through a well-thought out plan? If you opt for "a plan," I suggest reading any of the "boundary books" by Townsend and Cloud. They are therapists who have successfully helped people develop methods/plans for dealing with problem behavior. If there is physical abuse, please consider taking yourself and your mom out of the home and into a women's shelter. The staff in these shelters can assist both of you into a better life situation.
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(((((hugs)))))
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I am sending you a BIG hug! You are doing an impossible job. If your father is interfering with care for your mother, that is elder abuse and you should contact your local social services department. Perhaps a visit from them would help with his attitude and behavior. Also, maybe it's time your mother is moved to a caring assisted living/memory care place. You could still be with her every day but, not all of her care would fall on your shoulders and you could reclaim some of your life back. Hang in there.
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I am sorry, but you are starting to unravel. I was emotionally abused by my mom. I forgave her, but I had to put her in personal care home. You are burned out. You are not getting help from your family. Please seek out Elder care attorneys. Reach out to department of aging too. Keep pushing. You may have to get guardianship. This situation is not going to be forever. People do pass away. I hope you have your mom in Hospice Care. They help too.

After my dad passed, my mom took a turn for the worst both physically and mentally. I sold their house to pay for my mom's personal care. It gets ugly before it turns around. You will survive this!
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Join groups online for victims of parental narcissism. That will be a good first step so you can see you are not alone. You can also ask the court to appoint a guardian for your mother before you move out. If there is suspected abuse by your father that might be easier to get. I waited till my 40s to deal with the NPD and it's been a long road. I'm not living with my mom and have told her repeatedly I will not let her live with me and I will not move in with her. Standing your ground is important. Once your mother passes away, you can cut your father off and let your siblings know it is their turn. Going no contact can let you regain your life. You will be made the scapegoat (BTDT), but it's better than having no life and putting up with rage. NPDs never feel empathy or true regret for their own actions. They put people in three categories, none of which are good. Keep looking for a good therapist and start planning for the time you will be able to move on.
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Ask yourself why you feel such a responsibility to both of your parents AT THE EXPENSE of your own self-care / quality of life?

Of course I understand adult children 'need' to extend themselves as parents decline however there are limits. You need to learn how to set boundaries although you first need to decide if you want to.

Your dad won't change. He either won't or can't take responsibility for his actions. This is not your problem; it is his. Do not make it your issue.

You are continually subjecting yourself to his 'wrath' - it is your responsibility - to yourself - to step back from him when this (ongoing, neverending) behavior of his starts. What do you do?

- You stop him in his tracks "it is not acceptable to talk to me like that"
- You tell him if he continues that you will leave (giving him a polite warning)
- If he continues, you walk out - for a few minutes to a few hours (or longer - a few days?). He needs to know that YOU are serious. He doesn't know this now as you haven't set any boundaries with him.

First, you need to understand that your parents are not your 'full' responsibility You have siblings. If necessary to bring in caregivers, ask your siblings to help out financially if necessary.

Here's a hug you need. Although you need more than a hug - you need 'you' to be there for 'you' - and learn how to do that. First, you deal with what's 'running you' which is likely decades of the parent-child pattern(s) of behavior. You likely feel like that 'small' little child, scared, alone, no support. You need to learn to be there for her 'FIRST' - not your parents.

- Don't know what happened to the therapist or therapeutic organization. I know they are often swamped / unresponsive. Keep at it. Therapy can be a major support. If you need, reach out to spiritual organizations / churches for support... just walk in if needed and talk to someone or definitely call and tell them that you need to talk to someone-that you need support.

Is this hard to hear? Of course it is. At some point, you need to value your own life and start taking steps to do that. It really is ONE STEP in front of the other.

Handling these family dynamics is different for everyone / there are many variables to consider. With that said, I am sure there are hundreds, if not thousands, of adult-children in shoes close to yours.

- You do the best you can and then you let go (and Let God if that phrase fits).
- Depending on finances, you use your parent(s) money (or they do) for their care, not yours.
- When that runs out, they get whatever public assistance available to them.
- You get help by way of caregivers, friends, church volunteers - wherever you can find them.
- You realize that if you do not take care of yourself, you will not be able to be there for them to any degree. You will fall apart. You cannot run on empty.

See if you can work with a Medi-Caid / Medi-Cal / Medi-Care representative
and/or
a social worker
and/or
Call your county senior services

Gena / Touch Matters
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You should move out and advise your siblings one of them are in charge now. If they don't step up, let your Dad take care of his wife. If he is abusing her, report it to the police. Good luck.
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I stopped talking to my parents at 18. My mom died alone.
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Get your mom into a facility.
Look into palliative care, if on Medicare many plans have it free of charge.
Get her situated, a few things from home that make her feel comfortable.
Set clear guidelines, expectations, and boundaries with the facility.
You may feel sad for her, or shame in leaving her, but it is her life. Alz is tragic and difficult to care for, add cancer and she really should be in a facility.

Once mom is settled get your narcissistic father out of your life. Start by being very clear with him - you have to tell a narcissist what they don’t want to hear (the truth AND what you want) then let them try to deny the truth through manipulation, playing the victim, anger, whatever, then you have to show him you won’t fall for it. Walk away and don’t cave. Narcissists can’t handle the realization that they can no longer control you, so they will try harder and you’ll have to stand your ground. It’s hard but you have to do this to build your confidence and crush theirs.

Narcissists love playing in the toxic triangle. They love to be perpetrators, then play the victim and or the rescuer to suck you back in. Screwing with you to constantly reinforce their control over you is their mission in life. Know the game so you can beat it.

I realize you will have to have contact, but you set the boundaries upfront and stick to them. You’ll have to be firm with him, remind him in situations what the rules are, and tell him in no uncertain terms he shapes up in the moment period. It seems like he could be in early stages of dementia and that would be one more reason to have boundaries and space bc eventually he will be in a facility himself. If that happens, put his care in a siblings hands, or make him a ward of the state.

definitely seek out consult with elder law, social worker, etc. give them the whole story and share your concerns he is abusive with your mom. The more you tell the better for the best chance to get help with solutions.

It is time to shift your mindset from “how do I deal with this” to “this is what I want. What steps do I need to take to get what I want.”

You have to be in a proactive mindset - one that is centered around you getting your life back, not around the fear of letting mom down or fear of what dad will do next. Don’t give in to the siblings - you’ve done enough. Decide what you want to do and when that is done do no more - put it on them.

You seem really centered on self care - journaling, therapy, etc is awesome. Keep doing it - find groups, etc many of those are free. Anything where you can be heard - tell your story, hear yourself say what you want in specific terms from a place of strength in front of others as many times as you can…solutions will start to take shape and things will start to happen.

It’s a lot. I went through something similar and it felt like there was no way out. I felt the weight of it all in my body, I felt it sucking all my energy. You will get through this! You are not alone -
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HUG.

There is no magic cure. I think caregivers who are truly free from the abusive, narcissistic, elderly loved ones (LOs) — are the ones who either totally walked away, or the LOs died.

Even if you go low contact, the abusive LO will continue to try to drag you down. Destroying you is what makes them happy. That pattern will only get worse the older the LO gets.

In a way, many of us kind caregivers have helped prolong the life of the abusive LO. In other words, by being kind, the caregiver has prolonged their own abuse.
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waytomisery Aug 26, 2024
Yes ! So true
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