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My mother-in-law just got out of the hospital and sent to a rehab facility. My husband went over to get her some clothes and the his dad and brothers won't let him saying she only has the one dress that she has on. I know for a fact that she has always dressed nicely and has pants and blouses. They wouldn't even give us a gown for her to sleep in. What can we do to get them to let us have some of her clothes for her to wear while she is in rehab?


This is breaking my heart!

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You can't make them do anything! You can loan her some of your clothes, buy her a new outfit or two (not expensive, but comfortable), and consider buying her some gently used things from a thrift shop to wear in rehab.

You should make sure what her discharge plan is. Do not EVER take in a MIL from rehab on a temporary basis unless you want her to be at your house for the rest of her life (not advisable). I doubt that the dad and brothers are going to take care of her, so that leaves an assisted living or other professional care. Educate yourself about the options immediately so you can advise her.

I hope your MIL recovers well.
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TxBeBe May 2, 2024
Thank you for your reply. No we will NOT take from rehab. She really needs it and maybe more. I did go and buy her a few things today. It is not worth causing a bigger issue about clothes but we will need to get to the bottom of this soon.
She just went there last night and we have a meeting with the facility once they have determined what she will be needing. At this time we will let them know what has taken place.

Thank you, again.
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Who is MIL's POA?

You husband would be wise to arrange POA now so that he can spend her monies are HER needs.
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TxBeBe May 2, 2024
Thank you for taking time to answer. My husband - Paul - younger bother is POA and is to inherent everything including the house. Ok he can that is not the issue here. The issue is the bother quit his job to take care of them, which is a tough job for sure. All the needs of the dad is being met but the Mom apparently has been ignored. The dad and bother are so worried about all the money being spent and they might loose the house if the Mom is sent to rehab and possible a nursing home.
I went today and got her some clothes and meeting with the rehab center to see what they are going to be able to do to help her get stronger and healthier.
As far as the POA spending the dad's money(because they don't seem to think it is for the Mom), he is spending it. He has a new Traeger Smoker and a truck......he's all good!
Thank you again for being there.
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Why is MILs family members acting so hostile? This can't be out of the blue for no good reason.....what part of the story is missing here?
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TxBeBe May 2, 2024
The MILs family is hostile because the dad rules the house and he decides what is to be done - he will be 90 in July. That part of the family has always been a little different - anti social and the bother thinks everyone is always out to get him. I tried to explain to Beatty a little of what has taken place. My husband, Paul has offered so many times to help and give his bother a break but the dad & bother said they were ok. We think now that the big concern is all about the money and house. Paul has told his brother how much he appreciates what he has done trying to reassure him he isn't going to try and take anything from him. He can have it all but the treatment of their Mom is going to change even if she has to go somewhere else safer after rehab.

We hare stunned about all of this too. That is why I needed to reach out. Thank you for being there.
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Somethihg smells a bit funny here..

Fact: MIL is in rehab.
Fact: Needs clothing, daywear + nightwear.
Reported: Husband goes to his parent's house to collect clothing for his Mother. This is refused by his Father & Brother. (I guess Brother lives there too or visiting).

IMHO seems like a reasonable, practical thing to do!

(I have done same.. but my Father was very grateful I collected clothing to trek over to rehab).

Did they give a reason?

Is MIL a little fussy & they want time to ensure they chose exactly right, wash & iron it all first??

Or embarressed no items had been washed? Maybe as MIL did all that?

Did they even open the door?

Are they sitting around in stale weeks old clothing themselves & so cannot understand MIL needing clean clothing?
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TxBeBe May 2, 2024
Thank you Beatty for replying. There is so much going on that we do not know about. The dad keeps saying that they don't have much money and "they" might take their house if all the money is spent on the Mom. All of this is not true. My husband tried to explain to him and his bother that the house is homesteaded and they can't take the house.
My husband's bother quit is job to "take care" of them. My husband was told last year by the dad that there will not be any money for him and it will be left to the younger brother. We have always told him (dad) that any money was his to take care of him and Mom. Then the dad said the house will also be given to the bother because we have a house and he doesn't! That's fine too. There is nothing my husband wants from his dad but we weren't aware how bad the Mom was until we kept calling to see if we could take her to lunch and found out she was in the hospital. WOW right! The bother (who lives there) keeps the house phone turned off and if you want to call her you have to go through him to even get to talk to her. This isn't the 1st time, I called her a few months ago and actually got to talk to her and asked if she wanted to come over & Paul (my husband) would pick her up and take her home after a couple of hours. She seemed excited then 30 mins. later the dad call and said Thank you for asking her but she wouldn't be able to come over because she didn't feel well.
We know how hard it is to be a caregiver and appreciate all that the bother has done, BUT he basically only takes care of the dad because the dad puts himself first. He's going to be 90 and very selfish. As far as the clothes, when Paul went over there to pick up some clothes (she use to dress nice) they said she only wears the housedress she has on and nothing else???? She even sleeps in it. Paul asked what about when it is washed - no answer.
We have respected the decision they had made about the bother helping them and Paul has visited but they all sit there and nothing has been too obvious until now. So much has been covered up. I am so sorry it has gotten to this point but now we know and will make sure she receives the care and respect she needs. My heart is really hurting. Thank you for taking the time to answer. I know things are going to be better. She might not be able to go back home and need another place but it will be better that what she has had for sure.
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I’m so sorry your MIL doesn’t have clothes to wear. Can you ask the staff to request that they bring clothes for her. Otherwise, buy a few things for her to wear.
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TxBeBe May 2, 2024
I went today and got her some blouses, pants, and nightgown. I'm not going to wait to see if they will bring her some clothes. I know she has some beautiful things but apparently the bother is not taking as good of care of her as we were lead to believe.
I know now she is in a safe place and is going to get stronger every day.

Thank you for taking to time to help!
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While she is in rehab, just buy a few outfits. Enough to take home to wash and leaving an outfit to wear the next day.

This is really weird that these men will not allow u to take her clothes. If its true all she hasbis one dress, sounds like abuse to me.
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I would go to Social Services at the rehab and tell them that your husband has no access to get his mother's clothing. Tell them to contact the listed next of kin or listed POA and ask them to bring clothing. Especially important is good fitting shoes, so have then side her feet in rehab with a template and take this to get her good supportive shoes. I recommend Hokas which has a great wife supportive toe bed in front, but any shoe with good support is wonderful.

Now there IS, of course, a good deal more to this story, isn't there? Because to imagine that a husband and siblings would deny their mother clothing would be to think that they are a little bit "nutty". I would imagine this has to do with some sort of toxic family squabble thing?

If you have a feeling that your mother is being abused at home them you should avail yourself of this opportunity to speak with Social Worker at facility or to ask APS to speak with mom and ascertain if she HERSELF feels abused. At to brother who is caring for them in their home and quit his job to do so, you mention he inherits. I sure hope so. And I hope he has a care contract with an attorney so there is a shared cost of living contract so that things are written out. But that is on him and the parents he is caring for as their POA.

Whatever the case, a lovely pair of sweat pants and a few tee shirts will suffice for the hard work of rehab. Talk to the folks in the facility itself. The will guide you what to buy.

I wish your MIL great good recovery as the works hard with rehab to recover. This is a time of great stress for the family, I am certain, so endeavor to be kind and supportive to one another which is the greatest gift that can now be given to mom.
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TxBeBe May 3, 2024
Yes we were able to speak with someone at the rehab center last night and made them aware of some of our concerns. The bother is the POA and is why he (and the dad) wants to make sure nothing touches the house or the money! Sad situation! That being said I was able to get her some "cute" comfortable tops and pants. Also picked up a soft brightly colored throw for her bed or lap.
She just doesn't seem like she's there - not any real reaction to this. I think they (bother/dad) has kept her so isolated she has shut down. Today there will be an assessment meeting about her care. We will also be meeting with an EL to see about an assessment of the home and that situation.

I agree HOKAS are great shoes. She actually has a hairline fracture in her foot so she is in a boot. Not sure how that happened. Not getting a straight answer. She fell???

We will get through this and she will be stronger and more herself. Then the discussion will be where to go from her for her safety.

Hugs!
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Tx, it sounds as though your mother in law is living in an abusive situation with mentally ill family members ruling what goes.

Please take this time in rehab to consult a lawyer about dividing her part of the marital assets and a social worker about helping her heal from the trauma at home.
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AlvaDeer May 2, 2024
I think we may be guessing at who and what is the toxicity in this situation, given we have more or less one side. But it is clear from answers below that the husband, 90 and his wife are living with a son who has POA. That is not THIS son. There are claims that money is being spent on the caregiver son for a new "smoker" and such, and that he will inherit everything. To my mind, staying home to care for two elders you SHOULD inherit the money and you should also have a care contract for shared living costs done by an attorney to prevent this sort of accusation from a non-caregiving brother.
To me, it is anyone's guess here, but as with all cases we see on AC, this is to me a matter of siblings at war. In this war it is the MOTHER who suffers with divided children, and no one else. And these cases always remind me of the Saint who had their clothing (and sometimes a finger or two) ripped off as they lay dying (see Catherine of Siena.).
Anyway, I hesitate to guess who is an "innocent here" EXCEPT mom She is TRULY an innocent and if there is thought that there is abuse at home then APS Should be requested while she is in care and safe, to open a case to speak WITH HER.
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If Dad is worried about the cost for LTC, he needs to see an Elder Lawyer about splitting assets. Moms split going to her care and then Medicaid being applied for when its almost gone. Dad remains in the home, has a car and enough monthly income to live on. When Mom dies though, if she is on the deed as owner, Medicaid will put a lien on the home to offset cost oh her care. Dad can still live in it but if he leaves or dies, the house will need to be sold to pay the lien. If he sells, the lien will be satisfied at closing. I am only giving basics, an EL can tell him more. There is also a form that a spouse can sign saying they will not be responsible for cost of spouses care. Not sure what that entails though.

So brother is caring for his parents because he gets everything.
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TxBeBe May 3, 2024
The dad and bother went to a lawyer and set up a "Lady Bird Deed" on the house which allows the dad to live there and upon his death the bother receives the house. This type of deed protects it from Probate. Come to find out the Mom's name is not on anything. Texas is a community property state but I'm not sure how that applies here. We will need to take to a lawyer.

Thank you for the advice!
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Odd that they don't think she needs any clothes. Ask the facility to call them and let them know what types and amounts of clothes she needs.
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TxBeBe, I feel for your situation. I would have done as you did, go out & get a few outfits to solve the immediate practical problem. Then help plan the next steps.

Your DH & yourself, despite not being POA can still *advocate* for his Mother/your MIL. Can ask to have a meeting with the Health Team at the Rehab as 'concered family' to share your concerns.

Hospital-Rehab-Home is the preferred pathway BUT it is OK to speak up with concerns to ensure the Home option is discussed & explored, to ensure it is a SAFE direction.

My advice would be to stay on message: Your concerns + MIL's care needs being met.

However, I would probably add in these relevant points;
* Dad is 90, has fears about the money/house.
* Bother has history of anti-social attitude (? distrust of others).
These will throw up red flags - hopefully lead to more investigation or family meetings.

This may not be a round table event with everyone (you, DH, MIL, FIL & Bother) it may just be FIL & Bother - as Spouse & POA. That may be enough for the Rehab SW to look into MIL's living situation.

Where I live there is a housing crises. Many of the older gen are 'house-rich' but 'care-poor'. An informal sort of 'House for Care' deal can be struck up with one of their adult offspring. Moves in, provides care, uses the funds, wants/expects that house etc. Yuk.

I've heard SWs can use Family Meetings for many tasks - to update family on rehab progress, attempt to dislodge denial if required, also to delve into the motivation to 'Age in Place' at home: Elder's wishes, fear of change, unaware of options.. or family looking to protect assets for their own financial gain.

Not allowing MIL her clothing may have been the tip of the iceberg.
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TxBeBe May 3, 2024
Thank you Beatty for sharing and caring. The rehab facility has done an assessment and will be setting up a meeting today. Paul and I were able to talk to the director about some of our concerns and we were heard! She express that more than 1 person can be POA and in this case it points to that being something to check into for her safety.

We also asked about concerns of the bother taking her out of the facility before she is actually released. So that has been flagged. We are on the right road without going over the top. There are also great concerns about the home situation and the dad so now we will be able to address all of that and get the proper help.

If you have never dealt with anything like this you really are lost as to what to do. I want to handle it in a calm manner not go crazy and involve the police and then it becomes a he said/ he said. The bother and dad have a real fear of losing the house and money and we are the enemy. So sad. Nothing is worth this type of pain and disrespect.

We took her clothes yesterday but she is just not mentally there anymore. She didn't really react. I don't think she understood they were new which is ok. That doesn't matter but we know she now has something to wear. We also were able to get her a shower and then they changed her clothes - thank goodness! It's like she has been kept so isolated there nothing there. So sad but now we are getting her help and we will go from here.

Again thank you so much for just being there for me and listening.
HUGS!
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I am seeing a lot of comments about the home and what not, but I don't understand why the husband and son don't want their mom to have any of her own clothing??? If there is some rif between your husband and his dad, have the facility call dad and ask that he bring some of her clothing.

I just read a little further down...it does not sound like a healthy situation going on in that house. It might be a relief for mom to be in the facility at the moment. Maybe you and your husband can go buy his mom a nice set of pajamas and a comfortable outfit appropriate to do therapy in. Probably the nicest thing anyone has done for her in a while.
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AlvaDeer May 7, 2024
They are the caregivers, James and they are the POA and they are doing everything. What they don't want is the "other son" on the door step telling them what to do, because he has been estranged in all this. That would be my guess if you carefully read responses below.
To my mind there is a simple solution to this. Stay off their door step. Tell the facility that mom has clothing and it is at her home and ______ ____, her son is POA and his phone number is, and that he will be HAPPY to bring clothing when they call. Which I am sure he WILL be.
This is again a matter of something we see here all the time. Siblings at war over an elder. And I get furious about it. This is a helpless elder in her last days. Can they not keep it cool until she is gone?
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Please get Mom on the radar for APS. If she is "out of it" she can't reassign POA. If she is coherent and cognizant the POA isn't active. Dad and brother may have habitual abuse well organized. Have the SW work with Mom to determine if in fact there has been ongoing abuse of any type. This can be emotional or fiscal, not just physical. Preventing communication with others who love her is abuse. So is taking away her clothing and other personal affects. All of this should be documented. When Mom is able to move into AL, everything must be provable to get her fair access to joint assets for her care. It may also be necessary to keep Dad and brother from taking her home to save "their" money. Once Dad and brother have to start paying lawyers, they may decide that Mom's care is less expensive and fight to bring her home. I wish you luck and success!
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Sounds like dad and brother have not kept up with the wash or her cleanliness.Only one dress thats just ridiculous!! Sounds like you have made some good steps in the right direction. It is hard when your mom doesnt realize what you are trying to do..thats the disease. In the end all we can know is that we try to do our best for them.That is all that matters.
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Spatzi May 7, 2024
Mothersday is just around the corner, treat her!
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Mothersday is just around the corner, treat her!
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TxBeBe: Purchase a few things to resolve the issue and then say "Happy Mother's Day."
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It's HIS mother.
Are you talking about your husband's brothers ("and the his dad?" - unclear)

It is a red flag to me that you appear to be SO specifically concerned about her dress / clothing for rehab. This ISN'T about clothes - it is about family discord / perhaps legal issues and who has legal authority to manage care of your husband's mother's care?

You ask: What can we do?

1. Ask to talk to them about the situation. Document it in writing.

2. * Figure out who has access to bank / financial records (his mother's) and find out where her $ is going and how. Accurate records should be kept.
* Find out what her health / welfare is and how they are caring for her.

3. Contact an attorney

4. I don't know enough about this situation to recommend you call APS. However, you need to know what APS is and what they do (Adult Protective Services).

I am flummoxed by your question.
There is much more to this situation / story you aren't telling us.

Gena / Touch Matters
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AlvaDeer May 8, 2024
Yup, Gina. You pegged it:

"It is a red flag to me that you appear to be SO specifically concerned about her dress / clothing for rehab. This ISN'T about clothes - it is about family discord / perhaps legal issues and who has legal authority to manage care of your husband's mother's care?"

Right on.
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I don't find this question or situation strange at all. I have direct experience in sort of similar.

Eg 1. I was called by the Rehab Mgr to get clothes for one parent. The other was in the midst of this sudden health crises & had not thought much about clothing. I went to collect it (I was welcomed & thanked by the way, so that differs). But old age frugality had set in long before & not enough of anything was found. Had to go shopping.

Eg 2. Family I met via work. Older lady fell & I met her along her recovery journey. One dress she wore in. Filthy footwear. Family did not bring anything in, not toiletries, clothing, anything. Didn't appear to cross her husband or son's minds. They were asked to being clothing. Didn't. Reason?? Not known. No other clothing? Unwashed? No longer fit?? A relative (not sure who) eventaully brought things in.

I had to check the profile of TxBeBe... I actually thought it was the same family I had met!!
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PS the end of the tale of those examples - was fine, no abuse or neglect.

Family had been unsure what to do... Noticed some.memory changes but not sure how to push someone refusing to bathe/change clothes. In fact in eg 2. the Son had BOTH frail aging parents to care for.

SW identified what support the caregivers needed, they were open to this & SW helped them locate it.
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