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There must be a backstory to why your parents were living in a family member's house and why they were forced out. Could you share it? I suspect there are some issues that contribute to this as well as possible solutions.
Generally speaking, and if they were paying rent, they were tenants and entitled to specific notice (i.e., a "notice to quit" - in other words, "leave" or more to the point, "get out")/. There are statutorily specified timelines. Apparently this required notice wasn't given.
W/o doing some statutory research, I don't know what your parents' legal remedies might be. It's too late to sue the relatives, and I don't know what that would accomplish other than perhaps getting a money judgment to compensate for any statutory breach.
However, the bigger problem now is that they're homeless. Where did they live before? What caused them to live in a relative's house? I assume they're getting SS, so they have some nominal funds.
Have you contacted any county or state agencies to ask for emergency assistance? Any homeless shelters (I can't imagine having to find one for parents - that must be a gut wrenching process). Can you move them into your home to stay until they find something else?
Equally perplexing is your profile, which states that you're caring for your parents in IL. So how did they get from iL to the relatives' home?
As I said, there are a lot of unaddressed issues that factor into this situation.
Confusedgirl1 , Another thought , I would tap into the Visiting Nurses or another Home Healthcare agency. They typically are extremely helpful as my experience. They may can advocate for your parents and guide to some immediate housing suggestions. Their safety is paramount.
Confusedgirl1 - I am just as confused since you do not give many details. Did your parents do something outrageous to your siblings that they want to throw them out on the street? Don't you just love families? What about your house? I don't know where you live, but there are shelters, churches, and government assistance to help those without a place to stay. I need more details. How old are your parents? If they are seniors, where is their social security benefits?
Confusedgirl1, I am so sorry about the concern about homeless parents. There are some good suggestions above. Sadly, your situation is more common than most folks care to think seriously about. And "gut wrenching" is a good description. The reality of the situation is to try dealing with one issue at a time for their safety. Depending on their health issues , start there. Shelters are good for bad weather times. Waiting lists and weird folks can be discouraging and a reality for shelters etc. If they have a car, they can sleep in it. Go to a hospital parking lot and sleep in the car there. Think survival and safety. In the meantime, begin with going IN PERson to the social security office and the Food Stamp office, aka, HHS. Those visits will at least get your parents on the list to be helped,, eventually .. A Dr office to assess their health status and establish a baseline record for them..all this is just the beginning. But pertinent to get safe housing. I didn't read ur bio etc...but it doesn't matter as they can be old posts... And whatever reason causing homelessness doesn't matter in the overall..they are human beings who need help. Sadly, the system to help ppl are doling out more money for young women and children than for the massive aging population who helped establish things! But that is another posting..lol
Turtlrunr, I'd just like to share some experience with Visiting Nurses Assn.
They were tops when we first had them for home therapy. We've had 2 nurses who were outstanding - very caring; they went steps farther in offering assistance and advice than we expected. And the therapists were good as well.
That was when VNA was a nonprofit organization. That was back in 2012 and 2013. Since then, it's become a profit organization and the service and standards have drastically changed. Actually, I shouldn't comment on the service as they couldn't even get that far.
Instead of working with a primary care doctor's unqualified staff just to get the script activated and started (there were some delay issues b/c of the timing of the discharge), the lackadaisical staff shoved the responsibility back to me, and also said it wasn't their job (where have I heard that before?) to contact the primary's staff. In addition, one of the 2 doctors in the practice was out of town; it never occurred to them to have the other doctor sign the script, even though both of them had treated my father.
They NEVER followed up. I hired another agency, which was really on the ball, called the primary's office repeatedly until they got the script approved, and we started therapy.
Since then I've heard other complaints about VNA including a comment from a discharge planner that VNA is "pretty much out of the picture for home health care."
That's in SE Michigan; it may be different in other areas, but I suspect the corporate leadership is approaching home care differently than the nonprofit leadership. I haven't done research to determine though if the same people are involved; I was disgusted with the staff's attitude and found better companies.
I'm sharing this not to contradict you, but in case you ever need home care and find that the VNA staff is less than competent, or interested.
Garden Artist, I appreciate the info on the Visiting Nurses. Sad that happened to you at such a stressful time. I feel that the System is so difficult to navigate to obtain help. And SkyHigh, labeling the Homeless as mentally ill druggies etc. Is part of the problem. Not all are such as you state. Jesus was homeless. As were the discples. Hopefully she can find someone in social security office or HHS and latch onto them. The elderly population is growing old fast. And we all can't work and have pensions ,as in the past. So ,I try to remember how it really is and help others so, they will try to not get frustrated and receive help. Thanks for listening here!
While there is a back story that needs to be known so that they can be helped, this is happening more frequently that people know. Half of seniors are living on less than $1200.00 a mo. If you are in California, there is a housing crisis - affordable housing waitlists are 4 to 10 years and section 8 is just as bad. Homelessness is at a record high. Drive through LA County and you see tents, cardboard homes and encampments. It is very bad. Get them a Case Manager - you will not be able to do this alone. Call the city or community center and ask if they provide case management. If not, call 211 and ask if they have resources they can recommend. Good luck.
Confusedgirl1, Trying calling your local Government Office for the Aging. THey have emergency lines and provide emergency assistance, direction and advice. WHere are your folks now? First step is safe shelter and medical/ADL needs so you can then work on more permanent housing. Elderly people should not be sleeping in a car or a homeless shelter - it is not safe emotionally, physically/health risks and in terms of exposing a vulnerable class to danger. Whether or not seniors behave in a way to anger and make you want to throw them out, it is not acceptable to throw the elderly out on the street, regardless of behavior in the same way it would be unacceptable to throw a young child out.
confusedgirl1, there has to be more to this situation then what you are telling us.
It is nice that a relative had offered their home to your parents, but 15 years rent free is quite a long time. Were your parents original intentions was to stay that long? Is the relative selling the house?
As someone else had asked, can your parents stay with you until other housing is found?
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Based on your preferences, we provide you with information about one or more of our contracted senior living providers ("Participating Communities") and provide your Senior Living Care Information to Participating Communities. The Participating Communities may contact you directly regarding their services.
APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
II. How We Are Paid.
We do not charge you any fee – we are paid by the Participating Communities. Some Participating Communities pay us a percentage of the first month's standard rate for the rent and care services you select. We invoice these fees after the senior moves in.
III. When We Tour.
APFM tours certain Participating Communities in Washington (typically more in metropolitan areas than in rural areas.) During the 12 month period prior to December 31, 2017, we toured 86.2% of Participating Communities with capacity for 20 or more residents.
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You have no obligation to use or to continue to use our services. Because you pay no fee to us, you will never need to ask for a refund.
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Generally speaking, and if they were paying rent, they were tenants and entitled to specific notice (i.e., a "notice to quit" - in other words, "leave" or more to the point, "get out")/. There are statutorily specified timelines. Apparently this required notice wasn't given.
W/o doing some statutory research, I don't know what your parents' legal remedies might be. It's too late to sue the relatives, and I don't know what that would accomplish other than perhaps getting a money judgment to compensate for any statutory breach.
However, the bigger problem now is that they're homeless. Where did they live before? What caused them to live in a relative's house? I assume they're getting SS, so they have some nominal funds.
Have you contacted any county or state agencies to ask for emergency assistance? Any homeless shelters (I can't imagine having to find one for parents - that must be a gut wrenching process). Can you move them into your home to stay until they find something else?
Equally perplexing is your profile, which states that you're caring for your parents in IL. So how did they get from iL to the relatives' home?
As I said, there are a lot of unaddressed issues that factor into this situation.
I didn't read ur bio etc...but it doesn't matter as they can be old posts... And whatever reason causing homelessness doesn't matter in the overall..they are human beings who need help.
Sadly, the system to help ppl are doling out more money for young women and children than for the massive aging population who helped establish things!
But that is another posting..lol
They were tops when we first had them for home therapy. We've had 2 nurses who were outstanding - very caring; they went steps farther in offering assistance and advice than we expected. And the therapists were good as well.
That was when VNA was a nonprofit organization. That was back in 2012 and 2013. Since then, it's become a profit organization and the service and standards have drastically changed. Actually, I shouldn't comment on the service as they couldn't even get that far.
Instead of working with a primary care doctor's unqualified staff just to get the script activated and started (there were some delay issues b/c of the timing of the discharge), the lackadaisical staff shoved the responsibility back to me, and also said it wasn't their job (where have I heard that before?) to contact the primary's staff. In addition, one of the 2 doctors in the practice was out of town; it never occurred to them to have the other doctor sign the script, even though both of them had treated my father.
They NEVER followed up. I hired another agency, which was really on the ball, called the primary's office repeatedly until they got the script approved, and we started therapy.
Since then I've heard other complaints about VNA including a comment from a discharge planner that VNA is "pretty much out of the picture for home health care."
That's in SE Michigan; it may be different in other areas, but I suspect the corporate leadership is approaching home care differently than the nonprofit leadership. I haven't done research to determine though if the same people are involved; I was disgusted with the staff's attitude and found better companies.
I'm sharing this not to contradict you, but in case you ever need home care and find that the VNA staff is less than competent, or interested.
It is nice that a relative had offered their home to your parents, but 15 years rent free is quite a long time. Were your parents original intentions was to stay that long? Is the relative selling the house?
As someone else had asked, can your parents stay with you until other housing is found?
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