My mom has a history of stroke, CHF, PAD, diabetes....a bag a mixed medical tricks. She is suffering right now, the pain is agony and she was admitted to the ER and they gave her massive amounts of antibiotics and fentanyl. I have to choose to amputate or end of life care. I am going to speak to palliative care hopefully today. I think an amputation will be horrible since she has poor quality of life. I am scared of what her ending days will be like if I choose to let her come home with hospice. Will it be a horrible death? She’s suffered so much. I am her legal guardian so all decisions fall to me. I thought I was ready to let her go and stop the suffering, but I am just scared I will choose poorly. I don’t want my children to see her suffer, my father is useless but I believe her time here should be done and she should be at peace. I have watched 30 years of suffering. It’s no way to live.
It sounds as though the only choice you and your mother have is amputation followed by poor quality life and a painful death at the end of it, or a painless death that brings the end on more quickly. Don’t be afraid that ‘you will choose poorly’. Once your make this basic choice, hospice are the experts in doing it right. I went through this with my mother’s death, and I am confident that it was the best choice. I also talked my daughters through the same thing with their father, my ex. Once again, no regrets - in fact he said 'is there any way to make it quicker' on the morning before he died in the night. The end is always emotionally difficult, and some people are distressed that things can move quickly with hospice. Hospice doesn’t kill them, it just speeds up the inevitable.
Very best wishes to you and your mother, Margaret
It will be difficult either way, but your mom deserves to be able to decide for herself. Just because you think that "her time here should be done," doesn't mean that God is ready for her life to be done. He and He alone has the final say as to when He will call us home. I wish you wisdom and discernment in this matter.
If your Mom is able to help make this choice for herself, please allow her to do so. This is now YOUR and YOUR MOM'S decision only. She put you in charge of making it for you and trusted you to do so. Honor her wishes and the wishes you heard expressed by her all her life. If she is requiring fentanyl for pain relief she is in agony. As an RN, given this age, the prognosis for surgery is not good in any case, and I hope the doctors are being honest with you about that.
I am sorry you have to make this decision along. That is always difficult and there is no way to make it pain free. Not everything at this stage has an easy or a perfect fix. Do what you believe in your heart is BEST FOR YOUR MOTHER.
I am getting the feeling the doctors are trying to prepare me for her systems shutting down, so I think my answer will be clear what needs to be done. It just is horrible.
The doctors should be talking to her and giving her the options as well as the supposed outcome of each decision.
Now if your mom is not cognizant or if she is unable to respond for any reason then this becomes your decision, or whoever she has chosen to be her POA for health. Technically her husband, if she is married, should be the one also making this decision if she is not able to. If mom is married and you elect no surgery is there a possibility that your father would override that decision?
If you choose Hospice they will do everything in their power to control her pain and keep her comfortable.
there is also the choice of both amputation and then Hospice. The amputation will control the infection and given the other things going on with your mom the choice to operate might be an end of life decision as well.
The best way to help you decide is what your mom would want given the current conditions, if she can not make this decision for herself.
My girlfriend was a juvenile diabetic. She had her leg removed to the knee. She refused rehab and was in excruciating pain. Because she was diabetic the stump was hard to heal. She never was able to wear an artificial leg. There will be therapy. Will your Mom be able to do it with CHF. My GF also suffered from phantom pain.
Personally, I think this will be a shock to an already weakened body. I bet if you asked the doctor "would you recommend this for your Mom if she had the health problems my Mom has" he would say no. Drs are obligated to offer all options. They are also obligated to tell you everything that can go wrong. You say Mom has had health problems the last 30 years. Maybe it is time for her to leave this world peacefully and pain free.
Your post reminded me of a gentleman in rehab at the same facility as my mother. He was a noncompliant diabetic, refused to give up foods that aggravated it. I don't recall if his first below knee amputation had been done when Mom was first there, but I do know that the second took place while we were still visiting. Once he was out of rehab, he went into dialysis 3x weekly.
We didn't even know him beyond a casual acquaintance at rehab, but it was very, very difficult to see him (or anyone else) in that compromising position.
I can't imagine anyone finding any hope or reason for living in those kinds of circumstances, and that would be my primary concern for your mother...the agony of the amputation and the following agony of living with it.
I would go with hospice; in the long run, you'll save her a lot of pain, grief, perhaps confusion, and she can end her life w/o that kind of emotional and physical trial. And remember that you're doing the best you can for her, saving her from the ordeal of surgery and attempting to adjust to a more compromised lifestyle with no hope of improvement.
I hope you can be comforted knowing that she will be getting pain meds (perhaps morphine) and a GOOD hospice will be attentive to her needs to minimize that pain.
I also hope you can remind yourself that you're thinking of her best interests, in a situation in which she's probably not able to make that decision herself.
Knowing how my Mother would have chosen for herself in the past would help me now, if faced with making this decision for her - this awful dilemma.
I wish you strength for the road ahead, wherever it leads. There is no right or wrong, just different paths. 🙏
((hugs)) If you have all the information and possibilities the decision you make is the right one at the time. You make decisions out of love and wanting what is best. Don’t doubt.
My sister in law is 64, diabetic with Lupus and now possibly Leukemia. She just had her right foot amputated up to the knee after a 2 year bone infection that would not heal due to diabetes complications. She's now suffering with the stump not wanting to heal and a delay with getting the prosthetic, just to be hit with Leukemia testing! She's ready for hospice at this juncture and the family is planning for it now. Enough is enough for the poor soul. We all believe in life after death and eternal peace once we leave the Earth to be with God, so that's what we hold onto.
Wishing you the best of luck with a difficult situation.
I agree with you about not exposing your children to this if you aren’t comfortable with it. It can be frightening and disturbing for them. How old are your children?
My mom recently died in a hospice house. She died with dignity and free from pain. Her care was excellent.
Wishing you peace as you navigate your way through this difficult time in your lives. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.
With all of your mother's illnesses, if amputation was done would she have a chance for recovery and better quality of life? If the answer is no, then hospice is probably the better choice. It's hard to let go, it's worse to extend suffering. Let experts help you and her through this transition.
If you choose amputation, there is not guarantee that she will live much longer since her CHF and diabetes tends to make surgery and healing harder to accomplish. The benefit is that she will not have horrible pain for a rotting leg.
as difficult as it is, please help make her as comfortable as possible with plenty of love too.
1. Your mother has so many medical issues. Think of all the strain on her body if she does have the leg aputated. Can she withstand the procedure? How will it affect her other issues? Are you willing to have her go to a rehab facility? After considering all this, I hope you see the futility of amputation.
2. You need to have a sad conversation with your Dad and Mom. End-of-life care is just that. Lots of medicine to keep her pain/infection down...and then death. You have the POA --do mom and dad accept that?
3.Hospice in the home is wonderful! The nurses trully care about the patient AND the family! That is good. Your kids have an opportunity to see her, and to witness death. Death is not be horrible. The drugs given allow the patient to die easily.
4. Quote yourself: I believe her time here should be done and she should be at peace. (good solution. repeat it often)
Hospice is designed to let their patients face the end of their life as pain free and with dignity. If mom will be in hospice in your home, know that you will be doing most of the work - hospice will send out nursing (RN and LPN) as needed and bath aid, chaplain, therapists (music or some such). But they won't provide aids to do the heavy lifting between visits - it will be on you and whoever else is available to assist you. Before mom does in-home hospice you may want to check on all your options or hire (on mom & dad's dime) to assist you. If your children are old enough they may be able to pitch in on small tasks to help their grandmother.
I pray that you are blessed with peace, grace and love as you face this decision and the journey ahead.
Several commenters are/were in nursing or had a friend/relative in similar circumstances (infection/amputation) and they've had a difficult time with it. Given your mother's other medical issues and age, amputation will likely be even more difficult for her.
Be kind to yourself, no matter what you choose to do.
And palliative care and hospice will ensure that she does not suffer.
Amputation might keep her alive longer, but it seems pointless and even cruel to keep anyone alive just to wait for "the next bad thing" to happen.