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I am one of 4 children- 3 daughters and a brother who is the oldest. My mother is 93 widowed, and living alone. She cannot care for herself anymore. Attempts to discuss living alternatives (moving in with one of us, moving to a home in close proximity to one of us, assisted living, etc.) have been a total waste of time because she cannot/will not make decisions. My single brother (from out of state) flies down and visits every few weeks, and we appreciate that. We daughters live closer to her, but she has hoarded. She does not want us there because we tried to convince her to let us clean and organize. There is stuff from floor to ceiling and wall to wall. No room at the kitchen table to even put down a plate. There are paths to get from one room to another and all other rooms are full and no room can be used for its purpose except the bathroom.


We gave up on trying to clean, but we tried earlier this year to get our brother to discuss her declining condition with us and with her and hopefully, convince her to find a safer alternative. She trusts him the most, so we needed his help. The $#*! hit the fan between siblings and years of resentment came to the surface. As the youngest, I was not much a part of that screaming argument, however, my brother is not speaking to any of us. My mom seems to have personality changes- she is being mean and she seems different. She seems to think we were trying to put her in a nursing home because she keeps saying things like "Why don't you go volunteer in a nursing home?! See how they abuse old people!!" I was not trying to put her in a nursing home. One of my sisters suggested assisted living or at least looking at one. I suggested adding a room addition to my home and letting her live with me- at least someone could come and help at my house- she won't allow ANYONE in her house- not for any reason.) It is taking an emotional toll on me because I no longer feel loved by my mother and I feel betrayed by my brother. (I believe he is using his role as "the good one" to take all the inheritance while maligning me and my sisters.) All three of us have offered to help her- I offer to bring fresh milk and produce or whatever she needs, I offered to help her bathe once a week, I told her she could live with me...but she tells me not to come. (It's too far... You're too busy...I have everything I need...and so on.) She has never really allowed me to help. She actually gets mad when I come because the house is so full of stuff and clutter that she does not want my kids to come and she does not want to tell me not to bring them. I can't win. There is a (perhaps) unhealthy or at least odd relationship between my mom and my brother. He never married and never had a relationship that we know of. My mom has pitied him and been pining over him all his life. As a result my oldest sister (close to his age) always felt unloved. I'd call it sibling rivalry except for the fact that it has become painfully obvious that my mother really did favor him because he continues to evoke her pity as a 63 year old man. I don't expect my mother to live much longer, and I have no idea what I am supposed to do when that time comes. What do siblings who do not speak do when their only remaining parent dies? I don't know if she is leaving anything to me. If not, that is okay but I don't know. I hoped to get the childhood pictures of myself if nothing else. I also don't know what to do if I am the sibling who finds that she has passed away. I do not know any of her wishes because she has never shared them. I think the only one who knows anything is my brother, but we do not speak. I am wondering if I should end my relationship with both of them. What do people do when this kind of thing happens?

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Lauren,
In your circumstances with your mother, I would detach with love. You have been hurt, and just don't need that anymore, imo.

If your Mom is living in unsafe conditions, or you have proof brother is exploiting her, call APS, then detach from this toxic mess. You already said she will not allow you to help. Yes, that is sad.

This part concerns me for you:
"What do siblings who do not speak do when their only remaining parent dies? I don't know if she is leaving anything to me. If not, that is okay but I don't know. I hoped to get the childhood pictures of myself if nothing else. I also don't know what to do if I am the first one to know she has passed."

Please consider seeing a therapist to work these things out in your own mind.
Or, if you can just let these thoughts go, you may get relief from suffering so.
There is such a thing as "do not borrow trouble"; "try to live in the present", "today has enough trouble of it's own.

Focus on your own life and responsibilities today, imo.

Do you have any pressing things of your own to take care of?
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Lauren88 Dec 2018
Thank you for replying! It is an emotional roller coaster. I am grateful for this forum since I know of no one who has this problem. I guess it is not the kind of thing people talk about. I'll be reading every piece of advice as I try to navigate through this situation.
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Hi Lauren,

I’m sorry to read your story. This sounds like a very dysfunctional situation and I can understand that you have complicated feelings about it. Your mother is not the first to favor a son (who may or may not be deserving!) and she won’t be the last! The hoarding is evidence of the dysfunction, and so perhaps there is a role for social services to help you and your local sisters at least ensure her safety. Has she seen a doctor recently? The personality changes you have noted should probably be evaluated - this is not going to get better. Finally I recommend you read a recent thread that was started on this forum by GingerMay - the title was “Family dysfunction and the holidays.” It contains so much good advice that can help you get clear on what you can and can’t do in a situation like this one. It can be painful but sometimes we have to recognize there are some things we can’t change on our own. At least you have sisters who are in this with you - you’re not alone. Good luck!

Jane
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Lauren88 Dec 2018
My oldest sister took her to a doctor after she had dizziness earlier this year and my sister gave her round the clock care at her home- kept a record of her diet and meds, kept her clean and comfortable- made sure she drank water on a schedule and did her physical therapy. She cared for her for about a month and mom was so unappreciative and criticizing of her that she could not do it anymore. So now she has my brother take her to the doctor, and my sister is the bad one. She never would have gone to the doctor if it were not for my sister. Thanks for you reply. It is such a train wreck.
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Please keep this is mind: you are not "bad" just because someone says so! Consider the source - your mother is described as a hoarder - it sounds like she has untreated mental illness of some kind. Has greatly favored your brother - nor rare at all, unfortunately.   She simply is NOT competent to judge you as a person!  Basically, you cannot assume her opinions are valid.

If she refuses your help, well, you generously offered. So her refusal is on her - not your fault at all.   Unless she is judged incompetent and you are appointed guardian, there is in fact very little you can do.  So, I would suggest detaching and working on your own life and relationships.  No point is worrying over things you cannot fix. Never borrow trouble.
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janeinspain Dec 2018
Great advice rovana. :)
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Hi Lauren,

My Mom is in the earlier stages of dementia, so she's still coherent enough to tell us what she does and doesn't want. (As a side note she was a severe hoarder for many, many years. The only thing that stopped it was when we took away her car she couldn't go out and buy anymore.)

I think when our parents tell us what they want, we need to believe them. Your Mom has told you she doesn't want your help, and I think for now you should just respect her wishes and step away from the situation. There's nothing for you to feel bad or guilty about, she just doesn't want your help right now. If at somepoint she asks for help then you can reevaluate the situation at that time.

I also have "that" brother, who is an addict, stole all of my Mom's money and jewelry over the years. At the time I was livid, but when I'm honest with myself I was never going to inherit a penny, so it really doesn't matter. He is living with his Karma.

My suggestion, which has literally helped me survive the last 10 years, is to have a hobby like art or journaling. I pour out all my feelings on the pages and it's what has allowed me to not walk around angry all the time. My Mom was not a great mother, and I was very angry that any of us should have to care for her at all. Thankfully through therapy and art I've been able to release most of those angry feelings. Now I spend the time with her that I can (mentally/emotionally), which is usually breakfast or lunch once a month, and then she comes to stay at my house for a week a couple times a year. I'm comfortable with the amount I'm able to give, and that's all I can do.

I hope things improve for you, and you find some peace! Kathy
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KatKat124 Dec 2018
I have "THAT " brother too. What is with the mama boys? And why can't the mothers see "THAT " brother is just using ,stealing, and lying to them ?
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To answer one of your questions, if your mother has a will there is an executor who is responsible for dealing with the estate once the death has occurred. Do you know who it is? If it is your brother, he may find it difficult, and you may find that all the contents of the house have been cleaned out by a contractor and put in a skip.

My suggestion would be to write a snail-mail letter addressed and sent to all the siblings, saying that one of you is quite likely to find her after her death (and I am assuming that she is in her 90s). Say that it would be good to know what that person should do, and in particular if there is a will with an executor. Say that it would be a good idea to keep in contact about the practical issues, even if you all don't want a close relationship.

Clearly the interpersonals are now very complicated. If you keep your letter totally business-like, it may work better. The contacts will have to be made when your mother dies, and it would be a great deal better to have a plan in advance.
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I don't know but I'm just throwing this out. What about calling Adult Protective Services? It might start the ball rolling, you could perhaps do it anonymously and not be the "bad guy". If they step in and see the situation they would need to contact all the siblings. You and your sisters could plead the case that you have tried and been rebuffed leaving just your brother to deal with it. Once she is placed somewhere you could then clean and organize her home. Good luck, it's a hard situation.
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ArtMom58 Dec 2018
Completely agree with you. Once APS is called -- for better or worse -- the "ball will start to roll".
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I agree with dazed and confused, it’s time to call adult protective services. Explain the situation to them and request that they keep who reported her living conditions confidential. Your mother suffers from a mental illness that won’t get better without some kind of treatment, for her safety she should be in a safe place be it your home or assisted living, just be aware that wherever she goes her ability to hoard items must be monitored and she should be under some type of treatment. If there is no POA in place try to get one, your brother will always fly in and out but I don’t see him staying to help or taking mom to his home.
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Sorry to hear all this. I think Adult protective services should be called immediately. People with dementia don't know what they are saying or doing. She's not safe in her house. You can't feel guilty, once dementia sets in , it's not the same person you remembered. Medicaid can take over and put her in a nursing home , where she will be taken care of. It's too bad there was no trust or POA, unless there is and you don't know about it.
Step up and call APS....good luck....take care of yourself....
Been there, done that...
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Lauren, what a difficult situation! Are you sure there is even an inheritance? Sounds like there is a very good chance that your brother might be the only one to inherit anything. He likes things the way they are, as there is no decrease to his inheritance that way.

Do NOT have your mother live with you (as you offered to do). Your sister tried that and it didn't work. Why would it be any different for you?

If you do get APS involved, please come back and let us know what happens.
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My Mom is now in Heaven. She passed December 20.
Thankfully I had no siblings and had POA and I was set up as her Excutor and am her only survivor.
In your case is there a Will, is there a Power of Attorney and is there a medical directive I’m place?
As for your Mom. You are now dealing with a child and that is the best way to understand her situation. The person you have now is no longer responsible for her actions and is no longer capable of making good decisions.
If your Mom has a Dr. who has been involved and will provide you with documentation of her condition physically and mentally then start there.
Forget about trying to keep everyone happy. Take care of yourself first and then focus on what is best for Mom.
If there is no Will check to see what state law is and you may also speak to your local Deeds and probate offices to see what happens in case of no Will.
Talk to a good Elder care attorney but do not hire them.
Ask questions and have a list. Then make your decisions. If you feel Mom will live for quite a few more years then there are some things you really need to do.
Speak to Social Service’s and have her evaluated. Ask them to interven and to grant you guardianship. You should at that time be able to make financial and personal decisions for your Mom then.
If you are unwilling or unable then DSS can take charge or if agreeable then “one” of your siblings.
Contact DSS yourself and
use their guidance.
If you decide to take care of her yourself then make the decisions based on her required care and your and her best interest.
You can set up an elder care agreement (ask the lawyer) and get guidance about how to write it up from articles on line. We were charging Mom $3000 a month for care, room etc 24 hours.
When you speak to DSS about Medicaid they will y’all to you about paying down her assets (also lawyer).
If you plan on Mom eventually moving into a nursing home then you will need to prepare by getting her paid down and looking at all of her assets before hand. If not the DSS can basically take it all or most of it toward her care.
This is why a Will is important. If she has a Will and you get very little then paying you for care is key. It does two things. It gets her paid down within the limit of eligibility for Medicaid and it gives you a way to claim your rightful amount of the estate at death. If Mom can no longer pay you then you place a claim against the estate.
So hard decisions. Yes your siblings are going to be upset. So be it. If they really love you and Mom then they will evrnpinderstand. If not their not worth the effort. Too many times the one who takes care of Mom gets nothing on the end and the least caring one get most or all. Get what you deserve, take care of yourself and Mom as best you can and let the others deal with their own problems. If they don’t like it tough.
Hope this is all helpful.
Please keep us updated.
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Lauren88 ; my Aunt lived 1500 miles away alone never married & no children ,she was a hoarder there was only barely paths you could walk through books up to the ceiling ,catalogues , plastic containers that she cleaned out and had piled up so high so if she had 1 of something you could be sure that there was 10 more ! She had fell and broke her back 3 compression fractures I TOOK PICTURES AND I SHOWED THE DOCTORS I said She can not go back to that house alone she just cant I told the social worker that it would neglecting my aunts needs if they released her to live there alone so the social worker lined her up to go to a nursing home for Physical therapy for100 days this gave me a chance to get my aunt back to live in an assisted liveing home near me of course I did not have to argue with anyone except her....and there was really no choice for her , I had spoke to the medical professional also her best friend spoke to the hospital to back me up we had a lawyer speak to her and the socialworker at the hospital you see there really will not be Any inheritance because your mom needs her money to live on she'll have to sell her house and also use that. You are 100% right if you as a family do not find a way to communicate in moms best interest you can be sure somebody else will call and all 4 of you can get into trouble for elderly neglect ! I beleive the letter is a great idea to start with but I think you should take the bull by the horns and speak to a lawyer about medi al POWER OF ATTORNEY and go to moms Dr. Office speak to the dr yourself show hoarding pictures ! clearly its in moms best interest ! Not to be alone! The Dr almost positively has to help you when you show these pictures and have a lawyers name on your letter to show you're siblings . See when you put together this letter its best to have a lawyer that knows all the legal mumbo jumbo the Dr and lawyer will help you to help your mom .Mom just can not be alone anymore at all you just have to convince mom. you and I know she'll end up getting hurt in the hoarding mess just like my aunt did ,and end up in a nursing home so you are doing the right thing !! Call lawyers call the doctor's office get a neighbor or family friend on board and GOOD LUCK with your siblings !! When they hear that they themselves can get in trouble for neglect I bet they all jump on board !! Your mom has dementia and needs help but she does not understand because her mind is sick from dementia this is not anyones fault but the disease .Now you have your work cut out for you .....1 more thing , Nobody ever wants to get old or to the point where they need help so its HARD TO ADMIT for our elderly loved ones when its time to ask for our help !!
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Sorry but I dont think you should call adult protective services on yourself dont do that your not doing anything wrong ...call a lawyer or 2 lawyers get information and legal medical power of attorney 1st dont go getting yourself in trouble take the bull by the horns talk to her dr and a lawyer do not wait do it today!!
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MaryKathleen Dec 2018
The way I understand it, mom has to GIVE Power of Attorney. I would bet money she won't. You just can't get it unless you have guardianship which is expensive and time consuming.
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Hello...First of all...as a HHA i had seen things going wrong with families from different issues to bad ending situations...
You need professionals at this point.Go to the nearest hospital and as to speac to a Geriatric SOCIAL worker.Then a Meeting with all siblings.Also the Fire departmet because at this point what it can happen GOD FORBIDS...IS A FIRE...AND YOUR MOM CAN GET HURT...
THAT IS MY TRUE CONCERN...SHE CAN GET HURT IN THOSE CONDITIONS.
SOCIAL WORKERS CAN CREAT A TEAM AND ALL IS GOING TO WORK OUT.
IT HAPPENED TO ONE OF MY CLIENTS ...SHE FELL AND BY THE TIME THE WEEKEND GIRL CAME IN THE MORNING THE CLIENT END UP MONTHS IN THE HOSPITAL THEN REHABILITATION and finally in a NURSING home...Please get INMEDIATEDLY a Social Worker.Think only in your mom...your brother and sisters after a meeting with professionals will need to help from A to Z...
Many blessings and a better new 2019 to you all amen
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If your mom doesn't want you to visit and your brother won't talk to you it makes sense to let go. It's less painful than continuous rejection and you'll feel better with time.

Regarding wills, I have read that if a will is filed with the county it's public information and you can get a copy. But your mom may not be that organized...

My mother has always favored my siblings and anyone who sucks up to her. My brother is a lifelong alcoholic and sister is a sociopath who never visits or calls, just uses my mother. Thus my mother is giving chunks of her estate to my siblings, their spouses and kids. There may be a little bit for me but she's always been jealous of me and I've sensed since I was a teenager that she wanted to leave me out. She has narcissistic personality disorder and jealousy and delusion are part of their mental makeup.

I've never been able to get through to my mother and she can't see things as they are--it's as though her mind is sheathed in a thick wall of rubber. She won't accept help and I don't enjoy her so I have begun to stay away and that feels right after 62 years of banging my head against the wall.

Now that we can all talk openly over the internet it comes to light that there are lots of these unbalanced situations in the world. Because there are so many mentally ill or unfair parents, I see many benefits to mandatory inheritance laws.
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Isthisrealyreal Dec 2018
Ssorry, inheritance is a gift not a right or entitlement.

My husband and I worked hard for our money and don't want anyone telling us what we have to do with it. Just more government involvement where it's none of their business.

My mom wouldn't even cross the street to pee on me if I was on fire, her boys were everything, I showed her, I made a success of my life and don't need or desire anything from her. It is the best solution.
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GO TO THE HOUSE, SELECT THE PICTURES YOU WANT,CLOSE THE DOOR
AND MOVE ON.tHERE IS NO SOLUTION TO YOUR PROBLEM.IT'S OUT OF
YOUR CONTROL. FOR THE TIME BEING TRY TO STAY SANE BECAUSE WHEN
SHE DIES THAT WIL BE THE TIME YOU WILL REALLY HAVE TO BE INVOLVED.
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There seems to be one in almost every family. My brother "brainwashed" our father to the degree that my father only speaking to him and not to his other two children. My father too, pitted us against each other. My oldest brother called him on Christmas and my father hung up on him. It is so sad to be in a dysfunctional family and to see others going through similar situations with greedy siblings. I envy the families that work together. I would suggest if possible, calling her and/or taking her out to lunch or a ride every now and then. Let her pick the topic of conversation and not make any demands or give advice. I am suggesting this as my last visit with my father was horrible in which he called me all sorts of vulgar names and was aggressive. This is now my last memory of him. If your brother wants to be in charge, let him. Sounds like he will have a mess to deal with.
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Invisible Dec 2018
I would like to say that is a hell of a lot of work to untangle a parent's affairs. Better when they are alive. I wish each of my siblings the opportunity to do it on their own at one point. Most people don't want the job.
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Lauren88:

[ You said: "I feel betrayed by my brother. (I believe he is using his role as "the good one" to take all the inheritance while maligning me and my sisters.)" ]

Lauren88:

Trust your gut.

I have heard clients use these exact words many times, and they were always correct.

Your brother being so secretive is a clue that he is about to commit financial elder fraud by coercing your mother to give him everything. She may already have done this, or has a joint bank account with him or she has signed something that designated him power of attorney over your mother.

Some of my clients have told me that an adult brother had the mother sign papers without informing her that she needs to read the papers.

The most likely person to commit elder fraud is an adult son.

The sisters are almost always cut out because a lot of mentally disturbed mothers favor sons. Only mentally disturbed parents would have a favorite child that they actually give more to. A normal parent may have a favorite but will still treat all children equally from a financial perspective.

The fact that your mother has ALWAYS played favorites indicates that she may have had a personalty disorder. These disorders exist on a spectrum from minor to major.

If the disorder is minor, she can put on a mask that hides it for years. Then however, as the person ages, their mask slips more often and their true personality shines through.

Can you bring your mother to a doctor to have her evaluated for Alzheimers. If she is diagnosed with that, you may be able to have her declared incompetent and then an elder care attorney can overturn any existing POA your brother may hold.
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Invisible Dec 2018
I do not agree. Her brother is probably POA. The POA has no obligation to share financial/will information. In our situation, I do not want my siblings to have expectations of inheiritence because it will affect how they plan for their own retirement and additional health costs could eat up any inheritance. Dad's will was drafted years ago before he asked me to help out. I have kept his affairs separated from my own. However, I do feel that siblings should be aware of end of life plans and they should be documented and filed with healthcare professionals. There should also be a backup POA and health guardian assigned in event the primary one is incapacitated. Your mother's life should not be interrupted because her children cannot provide.
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Hi, Lauren; my husband is in a similar situation with his family, but his mom is only in her late 70s. I know you have a lot to deal with and are navigating as best you can. Just wanted to comment on the family photos you care about preserving. About six months ago, I urged my husband to ascertain where all the family photos were in his mom's house, which he eventually did. His mom was actually glad he was interested in them. He used his phone camera to take photos of all the pages he could get his hands on. Perhaps your mom would give you permission to do the same? Maybe even sit down with you to look through some albums together? Just a thought since I know how much photos can mean to children, and it sounds like for your peace of mind you may want to do something about this sooner rather than later. Wishing you all the best going forward and above all, take care of yourself.
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I think the biggest issue here is the hoarding, and most of the rest is a sub-set of that. Hoarding is now considered a part of Obsessive/Compulsive Disorder. Even APS will probably have to use force to get mom out of the unsafe environment. It is unlikely that she will be convinced by anything or anyone. If she is really hoarding, that is for her, control. Good luck and God bless.
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So many similarities between your situation and mine a few years ago. Every elderly parent needs to establish a POA to help them handle their financial affairs and take over when it becomes too difficult for the parent. You also need a health guardian for her and she needs to put in writing her wishes for how far she wants medical personnel to go to keep her alive when that heath catastrophe comes. This is estate planning and an elder lawyer can help you get started if you haven't got these pieces in place. You also need a sit-down family meeting to gain consensus about your mother's needs. My father made me his POA and health guardian, but I called on the rest of the family for consensus before we moved him into assisted living. He and I had talked about it for 3 years and visited a number of places before we chose one as a result of a fall. He also balked initially, but by researching/visiting these places, we were able to assure ourselves that assisted living is not your granny's nursing home. We also looked at the possibility of living together and practically figured out it would not work for us. He is more independent in the assisted living that he would be with me, and since we do not get along as siblings either, they can visit him without dealing with me. Hoarding is feeling overwhelmed to the point of indecision. A move to assisted living will allow you to help your mother get rid of things.
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It's distressing to hear that you have this problem, because you really seem to want everyone to ''pull together" regarding your mother, for everyone's best interest. I agree with maxie26 that getting your childhood photos is important and wish you all the best luck in the world in dealing with your sibs.

If you're able to offer caring for her in your home, that fact alone says that a. you have done all right with your life and b. your heart is in the right place. All the rest, well, that's on them.
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Lauren88, you need the help of Mom's GP as well as a psychologist who specializes in hoarders etc. The doctors can legally place her in a home....she won't be able to do anything about it.
You can get an emergency guardianship/conservator with the Court and the doctors' diagnoses. NO ONE IN YOUR FAMILY WILL HAVE A CHOICE OR SAY IF THE COURT FORCES THIS AND/OR THE DOCTORS.
You may or may not need an attorney to help you with the Conservatorship/Guardianship especially if it is done as emergency.
Research your State Laws, very easy to do this and just go for it.
I am Guardian/Conservator for our Mother and my siblings only talk to me when they think something isn't being done for her i.e. TV isn't working; well you stay there all day to make sure our stepfather doesn't de-program the remote at least 3-4 days a week dumb ___! I live out of State, 2 siblings live in State and 1 also lives out of State.
Screw your siblings and do what you need to do for your Mother.
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Gotta love family 'drama and dynamics'... NOT fun. Agonizing is a better word.
Whoever is power of attorney (if mom has a will) calls the shots, for good or for worse.
Who pays her rent, or taxes, or bills now? At 93, someone else is obviously handling it... and with financial say-so comes the POA.

Parents believe many things over 'hellish nursing homes' they may have indeed seen at one time. They can't conceive of today's newer places or assisted living that are available. ( Or today's stricter restrictions on places regarding care levels.) My dad hoarded having lived through the great depression. (They don't see it as hoarding whatsoever.) They kinda get stuck and don't want help... or a move.

Siblings see things how they choose to see things - sad but true. Parental favoritism and codependency exists even in small families of two kids. If it is the 'favorite only son' (no surprise there) who is the POA- then it is what it is. He indeed might have done things in his own favor over the years... having her sign everything over to him or whatever. (No wonder he doesn't want any contact with other sibs...)

I would ask mom if you can have photos of yourself asap -as they are of no interest to anyone else... and get them in hand before ' dumping day' when the time comes to go through all of the stuff. Those ARE yours. Get them when you can.

It is a grieving process for you... the whole sad situation. The frustration with family... mom's freedom of choice yet at her age... your limited options and control of things... you are grieving for what was, what is, and for what could have been. It is a lonely path and is very painful.
Mom raised you... but whatever her words, choices or actions - it has no bearing on your 'lovability' or value as a person. She did the 'best' that she could with the tools and background that she had. (Even if it damaged everyone else.) You survived -and know what NOT to do with your own family. Keep looking forward, not backwards. Grieve this, too. It may be a long process to heal in this area.

You can state your wishes assertively ( without venting) to each of your siblings in writing - and hope they at least inform you when she passes. You could request a memento or two for your own kids and family to have as something of 'grandma's' that might be granted, who knows. You can request to know if mom even has a will or who will be executor of the 'estate' when she passes. Maybe no one else in the family knows either. Maybe brother will move into her place and keep everything....who knows! Don't be surprised if he does that.
I was written out of my widowed mom's will 5 years ago because she was angry at me for not doing what she wanted/demanded me to do ( to return to my own abusive marital situation when SHE said to... of all things! - ummm, NO, mom.... sorry, not your call there...) yet my only older sister who is the DPOA - and gets everything that there was and is to get- still expects my help in many areas regarding mom's care and visiting ... in which I do what I can, when I can, and what is right to do.
"Oh well!" I would not deself to mom's demands, and if the cost is 'stuff' ... so be it. My personal self-respect is worth much, much more than any stuff.

Dysfunctional families are sadly more common than not.
You can still choose to reach out to your siblings (mail or email), in a business kind of way -even if they do not do so in return. At the end of the day, you will know that you at least tried and did what was right. We reap what we sow. You sound like you care the most. You can still have self-respect even if no one else gives a hoot about you. Their choices need not define who you are.
All the best to you.
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janeinspain Dec 2018
<emoji hands clapping> Well said RedBerry!

Jane
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First - It sounds like your mother's home is a fire hazard -- Someone needs to make it fire safe or the end could be tragic - and leave family members blaming themselves for the rest of their lives.
Second - If she is no longer safe to live alone then do something about it - when you and your siblings were children your mother made decisions that you objected to, but she made many of them for your safety and health reasons - and you are going to have to make decisions for her, about her safety and well-being.
Third - If your brother refuses to have any part in her care, get your sisters together (Insist on it and don't take no for an answer) and decide what to do. My Grandmother was not able to live alone so her 6 children each took her for a month at a time (told her they needed her to help with things - although she was no help). So each child had her a month at a time, twice a year. With 3 sisters this would mean a month at a time, 4 times a year.
When she started fussing about going home they convinced her they were too busy today and would take her in a few days. This kept her reasonably happy and definitely safe (her two story home was cluttered by her hoarding, and she was no longer safe on stairs) her children cleaned it out and eventually sold it and used the money for her care (she had a lot of medical bills, and this was before medicare) - never telling her that it had been sold.
You have to overcome the idea that you have to mind your mother (especially when she cannot or will-not make good safe decisions) Don't wait for a tragedy to happen, assume the role of parent to her. It may take some getting used to, but it looks like you have no choice.
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Lauren88; It is now the end of the day and the weekend is here if you havent had time today Monday is another day....do you really think your brother your own blood would hurt your mom?I pray that this is not the case I pray that the siblings are just not educated in the elderly issues and that you can speak to a lawyer who will give you good advice take notes so you sound well versed in the Geriatric field write a letter to the siblings even get it noterized make it professional ask a lawyer to help you get the medical power of attorney...PLEASE do not ever walk away from your mom she CAN NOT HELP HERSELF dementia has diseased her mind you are a good person follow your heart .....I went 1500 miles to get an aunt I never ever ever even knew she had estranged herself from our family and told her friends and neighbors that we did not exist!!We spoke on the phone 1 or 2 xs a week yet she did not acknowledge any of us we even took a trip to meet her with the kids still she lied to her neighbors and best friends saying thst she had NO ONE !! But we drove 1500 miles 1 way 7 times to get my aunt to be with her family safe and sound now shes been with me for almost 6 years and i cant even remember what my life was like without her in it ..I love her but we went through hell getting Auntie here it took all my time but all has setteled into place and shes safe ...we have to sacrifice for our parents and our blood relatives weather we like it or not.I will Pray for you
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As for the photos. Ask your mom if you could borrow them so you can scan them in the computer. Tell her you will return them. If she lets you , do so and return the originals. If possible get her to talk about them and who the other people are. Write on the back who they are. We did that last year with hubby' s 106 year old aunt. She cleared up a lot of questions we had. Be sure to return the originals
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Just to speak up for the male side, I have the opposite: a "T.S." (Twisted Sister, like the rock group), fifteen years younger who thinks that she can boss me around with a schizo personality. A manipulator of my mother who is now in her mid-nineties. This one sought to exclude me from my mother's estate while I was off doing my career in other states. They have gender identity issues and do not like men (never had a boyfriend that I know of...), They convinced my mum to have the house I grew up in only in her name until I found out and had the Will undone/redone - I was no-place on it! I can write many more of their transgressions, but will save it because I try to take the high road, am not mum's daughter's therapist and still have my health, goals and plans while have made sure mum has her home Aides and quality of life secure in the house - her daughter always made excuses why it could not be done, when I first returned in financial disgrace after the crash of the late 2000s to home. I found ways after we had it out and they betrayed me in the most humiliating and horrific way.
All to say, the hurt and pendulum can swing both ways and the best thing I ever heard is, "You can pick your friends, but you can't pick your family." All of us who've been hurt must move on forward and keep those undermining siblings away by any legal means necessary. best wishes to you all in the New year.
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Jada824 Dec 2018
How did you have the will undone/redone? My sibling did the same thing removing me & my kids from mom's trust & leaving everything to him & then his kids.
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Hi Lauren,
Definitely see about borrowing and scanning or photographing your childhood photos.

I also am part of a family where the siblings don't speak to one another. I'm the youngest of my parents' three daughters and I have two step-siblings. I was my father's and step-mother's caretaker when they were on hospice until their death four years ago. For reasons they won't fully explain, my two older sisters do not speak to me or my children, want nothing to do with us and it has been that way for about 20 years. They told my parents not even to mention my name but also would not give any good reason why. It used to hurt and confuse me, then it pissed me off. Now I feel resigned; it is sad but it's their loss and I think I'm better off without them. Actually one sister I never missed - she has always hated me, been verbally and physically abusive to me and says I ruined her life by just being born. In fact, at my dad's funeral she repeatedly told people she is going to kill me or have me killed, she insulted people, threatened others, including my son who was videoing the ceremony. My father's doctor said she is mentally ill, a psychopath, and other family members tell me she is getting worse. Thankfully, she lives a long way away from me. I know it sounds terrible, but I honestly hope she dies before my mom so I and the rest of us won't have to deal with her whenever my mom passes. Somehow I think she is so mean she may outlive us all! My oldest sister and I were always closer, so that estrangement bothered and confused me more than anything. Anyway, thankfully my dad and stepmom had a trust that provided equally for my siblings and step-siblings. My mom has a trust that also provides equally for my sisters and I. When my dad went on hospice and was getting his affairs in order, he reviewed his trust documents and saw that my step-brother was designated as trustee. He never cared much for my step-brother because he felt he was a con man and so was upset about it he called his lawyer to try to change the trustee to my oldest (sanest) sister. The lawyer said he couldn't recommend that, because my dad had already suffered a stroke, was continuing to have them and so could be considered incompetent to make that change meaning the siblings could have cause to contest the change. It really upset my dad, and it was so sad to see him deal with that. My dad was absolutely right: my step-brother was dishonest, disbursed only part of the proceeds of the trust and kept the rest, never gave us an accounting of the trust despite our requests for it, and did not tell us their property had sold. I called the company and discovered it had been sold five months prior so called him and asked him what the heck and that he needed to disburse the funds. He took his time (three weeks more) before doing so, and still had other funds from my parent's bank accounts and certificate of deposit that he never disbursed to us nor accounted for. None of us had the funds to hire a lawyer to pursue it, as the lawyer said it would be very complicated to pursue: my parents' trust was created in Oregon, my sisters, stepsisters and I live in California and my step-brother lives in Mississippi. Anyway, to me the issue is not the actual money nor that I did more for my parent's than any of my siblings but that my step-brother was dishonest with my parent's money, just as my dad had been concerned about. However, it was rather annoying that the siblings only show up to claim their share, and the psycho sister obsessively took things not because she needed or wanted them, but just so I wouldn't have them. It was all SO stressful I don't want a repeat of it. My mom designated me as her successor trustee and I have POA, am also on her checking accounts but she still handles all her own finances and keeps making errors. She thinks it is the computer and not her errors. At some point she may let me take over but I doubt it. She's a control freak
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MaryKathleen Dec 2018
My heart goes out to you. Isn't it awful how people related by blood can be so mean to each other. Please accept a whole bunch of Hugs. ((HUGS, HUGS, HUGS, HUGS, HUGS))
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Take a deep breath. Do what you feel deep down. Love them. I'm the youngest and the situation is so similar I cannot believe it, but my mom lives with me. I take care of her with help of some aides. I have very little social life. I have become a stress not eater. But really I am working out as best as I can so as to be healthy for the situation. I have no contact by my brother or his family. I pretty much raised his children for the first 12 years of their life and they have forsaken me and their only grandparent. It is what it is. I can feel the love come through the writing. Get a therapist involved with going over her house and cleaning /purging it. I think moving her to your house is a great idea. It's a hard job, but you love her I can tell. If your brother is a sob, he will have to see her at your house. Make sure to get poa and health/financial proxy in your name. This way nobody will take advantage of her. All will turn out for the best. Good luck. Breath.
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I understand your situation very well.

The key to dealing with the clutter from hoarding tendencies is to approach it very patiently and systematically, AND to keep the overall plan to yourself. Focus on cleaning anything you can but start slow; some degree of purging may come later or not at all. While it might be inconvenient to you to have to shuffle things around to clean initially, being willing to respect her mode of living should build some trust between you. Clean and organize one refrigerator shelf first and make sure to seek pre-approval to discard any obvious spoiled items. In my experience, the contrast between the neat and shiny shelf and the other grimy, cluttered ones, reminds the person of how their life used to be and encourages them. She will probably ask you to clean another one. The same goes for counter or table tops. Without discarding anything, just remove the clutter to clean a small area and then neatly restack or sort with you mother's help or permission.

She can't get the impression that you are planning to upend her environment to suit your needs. She will refuse any help with that approach. You must go very slowly so that she will still feel a sense of control over her world.

I hope this helps.
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